sek69 Posted March 15, 2018 Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 You know, I always kind of gave Steph a pass for the 9/11 comments. Yeah it was stupid,but it was her dad being put on trial by the feds so I can see how she would feel personally attacked. This stuff is just being amazingly tone deaf and out of touch with current events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Trish Stratus Battle Royal wouldn't be that bad. Ehh... Am I the only one who considers Trish wildly overrated? There were at least a 5-6 other women during her era who were better than she was IMO, and that's in WWE alone. In the WWE narrative she was the respectable ace of women's wrestling from before the current era and the one (along with Lita) who all the women now looked up to. So even if you don't think she was the best worker or whatever she fulfils a certain role in WWE's presentation on their history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Trish was a good worker within the context of what she was. A fairly inexperienced worker in a shallow division with a lot of shitty talent. She's highly rated for over the course of a couple of years becoming a worker that could have competent and sometimes good matches on the big stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 You know, I always kind of gave Steph a pass for the 9/11 comments. Yeah it was stupid,but it was her dad being put on trial by the feds so I can see how she would feel personally attacked. This stuff is just being amazingly tone deaf and out of touch with current events. Yeah, I dont blame anyone , including Bradshaw, for saying stupid or crazy shit on that show. Except Vince, who put wrestling people who were in shock, devastated, angry, confused, and scared on TV to get their take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTLL Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 At least we got "Moolah empowered women" to replace "charity is the new PR" as the go to Steph-sounding-like-a-clueless-idiot quote. "Thanks to the fans for making their voices heard!" after this tone-deaf, totally unforced error is a pretty strong contender too. That's wording and messages you would only devise if you've grown up hearing corporate-speak and the word "yes" for your entire life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Trish Stratus Battle Royal wouldn't be that bad. Ehh... Am I the only one who considers Trish wildly overrated? There were at least a 5-6 other women during her era who were better than she was IMO, and that's in WWE alone. You could argue technically there were better ones, sure, but the division was built around her. And because of that, you could argue that she was the godmother of the Women's ®Evolution. When she won her first title, it ended the last time there was any hiatus of any women's title in a promotion that saw many hiatuses of women's titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 At least we got "Moolah empowered women" to replace "charity is the new PR" as the go to Steph-sounding-like-a-clueless-idiot quote. "Thanks to the fans for making their voices heard!" after this tone-deaf, totally unforced error is a pretty strong contender too. That's wording and messages you would only devise if you've grown up hearing corporate-speak and the word "yes" for your entire life. Not to mention rumors that the whole name idea was Vince's idea and he's irate over this. I'm just waiting for the new backstage interview geek to be named "Bavey Dixenspan" and have a gimmick where everyone yells at him for causing problems for the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 From what I've watched of 2004-06 WWE no woman had more good matches than Trish. Always looked like a solid worker both in terms of offense and selling and she had a very good habit of getting crowds into matches quickly that they seemed utterly disinterested in at the start. Considering the calibre of most of her opponents and the restrictions she was working under (had 1 match longer than 10 minutes in her entire career and very few even reached 5) it seems harsh to expect her output to be much better. Nobody else came close to having as good a match with Lita as she did on Raw 12/06/04 in 7 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Are there any pre-Women's Revolution matches involving only North America-trained women's wrestlers anywhere near as good as Trish/Mickie at WM22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Are there any pre-Women's Revolution matches involving only North America-trained women's wrestlers anywhere near as good as Trish/Mickie at WM22? In WWE and indies, no idea. In TNA, plenty. And honestly, Mickie James is a really, really good worker (not to say Trish didn't bring anything to the table, but she had her best dance partner ever here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yeah, Mickie is still really strong in-ring nowadays. It would be interesting to see if Trish was willing to have a couple of one-off matches with some of the current women. The improvements she made during her own career, along with the limitations women were under at the time, make it an interesting 'what if?' as to how far she could've gone as a worker. It would obviously be difficult to expect something really high end out of her but she looked good in her spots at the Rumble so why not run Trish vs Sasha at Summerslam or whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 don't know if it's legit but there are rumors that Undertaker is going to be returning with his biker gimmick with the idea that Roman retired the "dead man" last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 don't know if it's legit but there are rumors that Undertaker is going to be returning with his biker gimmick with the idea that Roman retired the "dead man" last year Kid Rock playing the intro, mofos. (except Taker showed up on the Anniversary Raw in his old garb, but it could be seen as a nostalgia spot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Itll make sense, since he laid down the Dead Man garb in the ring last year. And as much as I dug Big Evil Taker, in 2018 America, him and Kid Rock are the fucking heels at least to me. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' Brian Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 From what I've watched of 2004-06 WWE no woman had more good matches than Trish. Always looked like a solid worker both in terms of offense and selling and she had a very good habit of getting crowds into matches quickly that they seemed utterly disinterested in at the start. Considering the calibre of most of her opponents and the restrictions she was working under (had 1 match longer than 10 minutes in her entire career and very few even reached 5) it seems harsh to expect her output to be much better. Nobody else came close to having as good a match with Lita as she did on Raw 12/06/04 in 7 minutes. I was there live for that Raw. First time a women's match had main evented too I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I've never been high on Trish as a worker. One of the most overrated acts (male or female) of the last twenty years or so. With that said, I can recognize the importance of her in WWE canon as well as women's wrestling in general. Where Chyna, Sable, and Sunny all failed--Trish picked up. Again, the wrestling was never anything to write home about, but for the first time since the early 90's, WWE had the prototype blonde bombshell that could pass off as a competent worker. That was all that was needed. I hate to sound like a WWE PR lemming, but the bar was raised. Mickie was a good addition as well and in my book she is the Miesha Tate of WWE women's wrestling post Attitude Era (Trish of course being Rousey). Was never a fan of hers and I roll my eyes every time she decides to pop-in on WWE TV, but if anything in WWE lore is named after Trish--there will be zero complaints from me. Same with Lita. Never was a Lita fan and she was the absolute shits in the ring. But any honor given to her will receive no backlash from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 In WWE and indies, no idea. In TNA, plenty. Which ones? Keep in mind that Awesome Kong trained in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted March 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 So. Jon Bravo finally posted his video evidence. It's about as convincing as one would expect. My God. Not only he showed us NOTHING, he added this comment in his video, after the MASSIVE backlash he suffered: This man.... is a treasure. My God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 don't know if it's legit but there are rumors that Undertaker is going to be returning with his biker gimmick with the idea that Roman retired the "dead man" last year I think that John Cena's promo on RAW Monday night pretty much gave it away when he took a shot at him and Michelle McCool. The only times when they referred to Taker's personal life historically was in his American Bad Ass/Big Evil period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickH Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 don't know if it's legit but there are rumors that Undertaker is going to be returning with his biker gimmick with the idea that Roman retired the "dead man" last year I think that John Cena's promo on RAW Monday night pretty much gave it away when he took a shot at him and Michelle McCool. The only times when they referred to Taker's personal life historically was in his American Bad Ass/Big Evil period. When last years WM ramp was the size of a football field, it would save A LOT of time riding the bike down and back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 I’m ready to be transported back to being a 14-16 year old in the Superdome. Ohhhhhhhh they call me cowboy, badass in black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 In WWE and indies, no idea. In TNA, plenty. Which ones? Keep in mind that Awesome Kong trained in Japan. You've got a point there. Well, I've not past the point of the Kong era, really, and I don't really keep track records anymore (too lazy) but Gail Kim working with ODB and girls like Angelina Love and Cheerleader Melissa already look quite good (ok, Melissa also went to Japan to work with Yoshida, but still…). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just wait until you get to Gail vs Tiffany ElP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Am I wildly confusing timelines here on when Victoria was wresting? I always found her to be the far superior talent. TNA had the likes of Kong, Melissa, Gail Kim, Victoria, Mickie James and Sarita to put out good matches even when the product treated them as eye candy or slapped them with sexist crap. I was never as high as others on the Kim/Tiffany stuff but the Tara/James cage match from 2010 knocked it out of the park and felt like a big moment for women's wrestling. I guess it never quite went anywhere after that but despite its huge flaws TNA was at least throwing a few scraps in the women's direction. Kim leaving as she did with WWE in her second (?) Run is all the more telling. WWE only really had the likes of Mickie James, Victoria, Kim and Michelle McCool. There was a narrative of Beth Phoenix and Natalya being good workers trapped within a shitty division but I don't see the evidence. Nicki Bella was probably the one worker of the 2010s to actively be good before the likes of Bayley and Sasha came along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 WWE only really had the likes of Mickie James, Victoria, Kim Who basically all ended up in TNA anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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