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#1 shodate

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:34 AM

My pro wrestling HOF 
or worker or promoters who should be in every wrestling hOF in the world and are not to t my knowing in nay 
Promotors[ some were work but i know them more as promotor than workers and some should  be in as both]

Sam Muchnck
Salvador lutterroth 
Roy Shire 
Ray Mendoza 
Atsushi Onita 
Rumi Kazama 
Jackie Sato 
Tomohiro Mastunaga 
Mayumi Ozaki 
Jim Cockett Sr 
Hisashi Shima 
Jim Barrnett 
Gory Guerrero 
Sayama Satoru [ he should be in mma HOF's as well for founding shooto] 
Shohei baba
Rikidozan 
Joe Blanchard 
Peter Maivia 
Great Kojika

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Workers [ no one who no one who debuted under 25 years ago ] 
Joe Acton
Karl Abs
Tom Jenkins 
Martin burns
Abe Coleman 
Sorakichi Matsuda 
Frank Gotch 
Joe Stacher
Black guzman 
Emilio Charles
Gory Guerrero 
Ciclón Veloz
El Santo 
The Llanes. brothers 
Diablo Velasco 
Raul Romero 
Billy Reilly 
Francis St. Clair-Gregory 
Jackie pallo 
Mick McManus 
Lou Thez 
Don Eagle 
Karloff Lagarde 
Don Leo Jonathan 
Rayo de Jalisco
Pat O'Connor 
Shin'ichi Mayeshiro 
Ricky Romero 
El Nazi 
Wilbur Snyder 
La Furia [ i would indct twice once here and once under his team name with one of the people he trained] 
Gene Kiniski 
Toshio Yamaguchi
Irma González 
Isao Yoshiwara 
Mario Milano 
Umenosuke Kiyomigawa 
Peter Maivia 
Rene Lasartesse 
Billy Red Lyons 
Joe Higuchi 
El Gladiador 
Jim Breaks
Michiaki Yoshimura 
Ray Mendoza 
Toyonobori 
Johnny Weaver 
Billy Robinson 
Yukiko Tomoe 
Rafael Salamanca 
Emile Dupre 
Gene LeBell 
Miyuki Yanagi 
Humberto Garza 
Jacques Rougeau Sr 
Tibor Szakacs
Adrian Street 
Yasuhiro Kojima 
Gene Anderson 
Yukio Suzuki 
Johnny Saint 
Masakatsu Tanaka 
Pat Patterson
Ciclón Veloz Jr 
Kintaro Oki
Danny Hodge
Caballero Rojo
El Solitario 
Antonio Inoki
Dr. Wagner 
Umanosuke Ueda
Yvon Durelle 
Kanji Kitazawa 
Kantaro Hoshino 
Renato Torres 
Iwakichi Hirano 
Motoshi Okuma 
Saeta Azteca
Mr. Wrestling 
Great Kojika 
Pepe Casas 
Aníbal
Kotetsu Yamamoto 
Tsuneharu " Thunder" Sugiyama 
Tony Salazar 
El Troyano 
Tiger Jeet Singh 
Zeus 
Isamu Teranishi 
Jumbo Miyamoto 
Gran Cochisse 
Akio "Devil" Murasaki 
Tomotsugu "Samson" Kutsuwada 
Shozo "Strong" Kobayashi 
Sueo"Mighty"Inoue 
Ole Anderson 
Aiko Kyo 
Animal Hamaguchi 
Bob Roop 
Daigoro Ogiyama 
Villano I
Villano II 
Villano III 
Perro Aguayo 
Mr. Niebla 
Dos Caras 
Akio Sato 
Mariko Akagi 
Sergio el Hermoso 
Otto Wanz 
Tatsumi Fujinami 
Asesino Negro 
Kuniaki Kobayashi 
Mitsuo"Rocky" Hata 
El Canek 
Kengo Kimura 
Ryuma Go 
Sangre Chicana 
El Soberano 
Mach Fumiake 
Mile Zrno
El Dinámico #1
Dave Finlay 
Riki Choshu 
El Jalisco 
Shinobu Aso 
Masanobu Fuchi
Dynamite Kid 
Black Terry 
Negro Navarro
Jackie Sato 
Mami Kumano
El Conde Negro 
Maki Ueda 
Yumi Ikeshita
Victoria Fujimi 
Nancy Kumi 
Gen'ichiro Tenryu 
Mach Hayato 
Rey Misterio 
Mark"Rollerball"Rocc/Black Tiger
El Supremo 
Bad News Allen 
La Fiera 
Lucy Kayama
Rimi "Jagur" Yokota 
Mimi Hagiwara 
Tomi Aoyama 
Gran Markus Jr. 
Joe Malenko 
Haku
Ayumi "jumbo" Hori 
Chris Adams 
Davey Boy Smith 
Ashura Hara 
Devil Masami 
Máscara Sagrada
MS-1 
Fuerza Guerrera 
Rossy Moreno 
Stuka 
Nobuyoshi "Apollo"Sugawara 
Mocho Cota 
Steve Williams 
Shiro Koshinaka 
Pirata Morgan 
Monster Ripper 
Villano IV 
Chigusa Nagayo 
Crane Yuu
Andre Baker 
Brad Rheingans 
Angel Azteca
Kaoru "Dump" Matsumoto 
Emilio Charles Jr. 
Itsuki Yamazaki 
Lioness Asuka 
Norio Honaga
Yukari Omori 
Yoshiaki Yatsu 
Mitsuharu Misawa 
Nobuhiko Takada 
Shunji Takano 
Noriyo Tateno 
El Hijo del Santo 
Atsuo"Poison JULIE"Sawada 
Toshiaki Kawada
Kazuo Yamazaki 
Felino 
Damián 666
Atlantis 
Dan Kroffat 
Bestia Salvaje 
Keiko"Bull" Nakano 
Mika Komatsu
Yumi Ogura 
Masakre
William Regal 
Robby Brookside 
Esther Moreno
Jushin Thunder Liger 
Masahiro Chono 
Keji Muto 
Kazue Nagahori 
Black Warrior 
Akira Nogami 
Kaoru Kage 
Drill Nakamae 
Akira Hokuto 
Arkángel de la Muerte 
Masakatsu Funaki
Yoshinari Ogawa 
Suzuka Minami
Kyoko Inoue 
Mitsuko Nishiwaki 
Yumiko Hotta 
Yuko Miyato 
Yoji Anjo 
Universo Dos Mil 
Yasuko Ishiguro 
Aja Kong 
Black Tiger 
Nobuko"Bison"Kimura
Noriyo"Combat"Toyoda 
Cutie Suzuki 
La Diabólica 
Doug Furnas 
Dynamite Kansai 
Tomoko"Eagle"Sawai 
Harley Saito 
Johnny Ace 
Kaoru Maeda 
Kensuke Sasaki 
Lady Apache 
Mayumi Ozaki 
Megumi Kudo 
Norman Smiley 
Owen Hart 
Rumi Kazama 
Xóchitl Hamada 
Virus 
Fantasma de la Quebrada 
Konnan [ also a s |Booker]
Manami Toyota 
Mima Shimoda 
Toshiyo Yamada 
Ultimo Dragon 
Akira Taue
Gary Albright 
Kenta Kobashi 
Heavy Metal 
Koki Kitahara 
Takako Inoue 
Reggie Bennett 
Tsuyoshi Kikuchi 
Jado 
Gedo 
Kiyoshi Tamura 
Sakie Hasegawa 
Miwa Sato 
Eriko"Shark" Tsuchiya 
Tomoko Watanabe 
Yasha Kurenai 
Victor Zangiev 
Yoshika"Crusher"Maedomari 
Debbie Malenko 
Rie"Bad Nurse " Nakamura 
Drake Morimatsu 
Hikari Fukuoka 
Koji Kanemoto 
Mayumi Shimizu 
Command Bolshoi 
Dick Togo 
Cerebro Negro 
Chikako Shiratori 
Hiroyoshi Tenzan
Mitsuya Nagai 
Osamu Nishimura
Rie Tamada 
Volk Han 
Zaza Grom 
TAKA Michinoku 
Andrei Kopilov 
Chaparrita ASARI 
Tomoko"Candy"Okutsu 
Dan Severn 
Cibernético 
Emi Koizumi 
Héctor Garza 
Kaz Hayashi 
MEN's Teio 
Manabu Nakanishi 
Yoshihiro Takayama
Yuji Nagata
Yuka Shiina
Yuki Ishikawa 
Daisuke Ikeda 
Kazushi Sakuraba 
Shigeo Okumura 
Tariel Bitsadze 
Tamon Honda 
Michael Kovac 
Gran Naniwa 
Antifaz del Norte
Carl Greco

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will unptate once i year casue as is aid will not inuding people who debuted under 25 years ago  its alos based on year of debut  that will explain the  the odd order to most 
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iv been meaning to post this a while   but could not find  a place ot post this  os  decided ot  post my  own topic 



#2 Edwin

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

Joe Acton

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Sorry, I really have nothing to add, but I did a quick search for him and I'm a big Catch Wrestling fan, but I honestly haven't even heard of this guy before.

 

I don't even think there's footage of him available.

 

Edit: Also you maybe trolling and I feel for it...



#3 shodate

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:41 AM

 

Joe Acton

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Sorry...

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:50 AM

No Vince McMahon?



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:55 AM

No Vince McMahon?

i rate promotors  who bulit from  Nothing  more  like all the ones i listed  did 

 

 

any comments on the wreslters section   also take in  to account i made my HOF out of people who  are  Most HOFs in the world



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:59 AM

 

No Vince McMahon?

i rate promotors  who bulit from  Nothing  more  like all the ones i listed  did 

 

 

any comments on the wreslters section   also take in  to account i made my HOF out of people who  are  Most HOFs in the world

 

 

Plenty, but if you don't think Vince McMahon is worthy of being in a wrestling Hall of Fame then what's the point? 

 

Andre Baker FFS!  Yeah, cause Hammerlock left such an indelible mark on the world of professional wrestling!

 

I reckon Edwin might be right...



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:01 AM

How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair?

 

You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies...

 

Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)...



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:09 AM

How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair?

 

You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies...

 

Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)...

this is based on people who i think  should be in HOF's   who are not  im not trolling



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:11 AM

 

 

No Vince McMahon?

i rate promotors  who bulit from  Nothing  more  like all the ones i listed  did 

 

 

any comments on the wreslters section   also take in  to account i made my HOF out of people who  are  Most HOFs in the world

 

 

Plenty, but if you don't think Vince McMahon is worthy of being in a wrestling Hall of Fame then what's the point? 

 

Andre Baker FFS!  Yeah, cause Hammerlock left such an indelible mark on the world of professional wrestling!

 

I reckon Edwin might be right...

 

baker   was a trainer of many people     who ar seen  as top  talent     devvit for  one     and on my not trolling 



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:17 AM

 

How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair?

 

You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies...

 

Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)...

this is based on people who i think  should be in HOF's   who are not  im not trolling

 

OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being inducteed into a HOF of any type?

 

Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies?

 

Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders.

 

I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter, it's pointless, you're trolling and I'm falling for it.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:33 AM

 

 

How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair?

 

You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies...

 

Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)...

this is based on people who i think  should be in HOF's   who are not  im not trolling

 

OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being into a HOF of any type?

 

Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies?

 

Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders.

 

I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter and it's pointless.

 

he does more  than alot of people  hwo are in the WWE HOF   ie  helping  find  promotions that  ran for 20 years  that  i longer than  Post   NWA WCW   1992-2001   and hes a hard long Carere too      he main evete at  a historic arena      still to this  day since in Japan one show a year is staduim show     that ha sbeen  mosylt  true for    the past   15 years   

 

wrestling  has a mioanly been  an arean sport     and you canot call ddt    as small promotion  its the  3 rd or  4th  biggest promotion in  Japan    and  has made more money than  TNA eve has   but TNA  has been  called the 2nd biggest promotion in the world     selling out  Ryugoku un paperd     legit  sellout  like DDT  does   mean  DDT sell more tickets  than   all us promotion oputside of wwe    or any event  [ also i not the biggest  DDT fan  going]

 

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:57 AM

Finally, someone who realizes that Negro Casas was actually the least talented of the Casas brothers.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:58 AM

As it's already been stated, the WWE HOF is a joke in the opinion of many fans.

What "historic arena" did Sawada headline? Korakuen Hall? DDT has monthly events there, not once a year...

DDT was/is/has been a relatively small indy until recent years and he's not a headliner there now, nor has he been a headliner there in years. When he was headlining there was when they were at some of their lowest points. Also, he was pretty bad in the ring despite that...

DDT is booming now and he has nothing to do with it.

Also please list all of the must see Joe Acton matches that you have seen that we have to watch...

And this is my last reply as you're obviously trolling.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:05 AM

Shark Tsushiya was the drizzling shit. And really, I have a soft spot for Bad Nurse Nakamura, but no Megumi Kudo ? Come on, be real now...

 

I guess you were an LLPW fan, but Yasha Kurenai ? Come on now. :) And damn, I haven't seen the name Yumi Ogura since, like, ever ! I seem to remember she was quite a good little worker.

 

And those awful luchadoras like Xochilt Hamada & Esther Moreno, but no Ayako ? Yeah, no logic at all, this is random as fuck ! 

 

Bitsadze Tariel ? Like, one of the worst guy I've ever seen, anywhere in any context... 

 

Still, I'd have loved to have you during the GWE poll. At least it would have brought some variety. And Parv would have gone insane too.



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:10 AM

 

 

 

 

How would you pick someone like say, Poison Sawada JULIE and not Ric Flair?
 
You're basically excluding one of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time, yet including a garbage, comedy worker from small/micro Japanese indies...
 
Not that it really matters and I'm almost certain you're trolling (but I'm bored at work so this will keep me entertained for about 4-5 minutes)...

this is based on people who i think  should be in HOF's   who are not  im not trolling
 
OK, what has Sawada done out of merit to deserve being into a HOF of any type?
 
Are you putting him there merely because he trained at the New Japan Dojo? Because he trained at the Malenko Dojo? Because he was a founding/key member of Japanese small/micro indies like Union Pro, DDT, PWC, etc.? Because he had snake powers? Because he founded Jakai Tensho? Because he fought mummies?
 
Sawada was/is a comedy and garbage wrestler who's career highlight was probably headlining some Union Pro or DDT shows in Korakuen Hall in front of 1,800 fans in matches against Sanshiro Takagi, mummies or space invaders.
 
I don't see how that would be HOF worthy, but then again, this doesn't matter and it's pointless.
 
he does more  than alot of people  hwo are in the WWE HOF   ie  helping  find  promotions that  ran for 20 years  that  i longer than  Post   NWA WCW   1992-2001   and hes a hard long Carere too      he main evete at  a historic arena      still to this  day since in Japan one show a year is staduim show     that ha sbeen  mosylt  true for    the past   15 years   
 
wrestling  has a mioanly been  an arean sport     and you canot call ddt    as small promotion  its the  3 rd or  4th  biggest promotion in  Japan    and  has made more money than  TNA eve has   but TNA  has been  called the 2nd biggest promotion in the world     selling out  Ryugoku un paperd     legit  sellout  like DDT  does   mean  DDT sell more tickets  than   all us promotion oputside of wwe    or any event  [ also i not the biggest  DDT fan  going]
 
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As it's already been stated, the WWE HOF is a joke in the opinion of many fans.

What "historic arena" did he headline? Korakuen Hall? DDT has monthly events there, not once a year...

DDT was/is/has been a relatively small indy until recent years and he's not a headliner there now, nor has he been a headliner there in years. When he was headlining there was when they were at some of their lowest points. Also, he was pretty bad in the ring despite that...

DDT is booming now and he has nothing to do with it.

 

DDT  sell out the  Ryogoku  sumo hall  once  per year   also   as i said im not ddt fan   or at lest of there any promotion for the mopst part  i  huge fan of TJP though   

 

he was  one of the founders  though  

 

and also on your acton  comment, there are alot  of people   in BOTH PWHOF  WON HOF who have  very  Limiated ot no footage of     think ogany one list who debaue     tv   was  thing  or alike  as purely   historical  picks   like alot of  hofs have 



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:17 AM

You totally ignored my response, but OK...

Also, Sawada has never been influential/headlined a DDT card that has sold out Sumo Hall... His involvement has been in throwaway matches no one pays to see on those cards.

And namedropping TJP for no reason?

Yeah, you're obviously trolling...

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:22 AM

Shark Tsushiya was the drizzling shit. And really, I have a soft spot for Bad Nurse Nakamura, but no Megumi Kudo ? Come on, be real now...

 

I guess you were an LLPW fan, but Yasha Kurenai ? Come on now. :) And damn, I haven't seen the name Yumi Ogura since, like, ever ! I seem to remember she was quite a good little worker.

 

And those awful luchadoras like Xochilt Hamada & Esther Moreno, but no Ayako ? Yeah, no logic at all, this is random as fuck ! 

 

Bitsadze Tariel ? Like, one of the worst guy I've ever seen, anywhere in any context... 

 

Still, I'd have loved to have you during the GWE poll. At least it would have brought some variety. And Parv would have gone insane too.

no   kudo  was legit oversight from me   

 

i though i put her in   

 

and yes  LLPW   is very good 

    i have my issue with GWE  and  yes i listen ot all the podcasts on the subject   

 

my issues   come from   how i   Judge  worker in  compare to  people like  Parv  and like 

 

i  Judge   based on realism   technique  execution  and work rate above  all

 

hence  why   realistic strikers like  traiel are  highly  regarded by me    

 

abd  cuse of how i rate    things  i odnt see how people like lawlor  are so highly  rated by alot of people  among  others



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:25 AM

You totally ignored my response, but OK...

Also, Sawada has never been influential/headlined a DDT card that has sold out Sumo Hall... His involvement has been in throwaway matches no one pays to see on those cards.

And namedropping TJP for no reason?

Yeah, you're obviously trolling...

how did i ignore you 

 

any other  issues   that you have  are  welcomed  and i  answer all you issues in one post 

 

also  responded previous comments about  acton   



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:38 PM

If someone offered me a 20 disc flair comp vs. 20 disc Poison Sawada comp I'd take the Sawada in a heartbeat. Japanese indy sleaze is underrated... plus, if you can make a career out of a poison gimmick, including getting turned into a statue, you are in every way a qualified pro wrestling genius.

 

 

What did Michael Kovac do to earn your respect? Is it from his matches in BattlARTS?

 

Also, what do you think of Hidetaka Aso?



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:03 PM

If someone offered me a 20 disc flair comp vs. 20 disc Poison Sawada comp I'd take the Sawada in a heartbeat. Japanese indy sleaze is underrated... plus, if you can make a career out of a poison gimmick, including getting turned into a statue, you are in every way a qualified pro wrestling genius.

 

 

What did Michael Kovac do to earn your respect? Is it from his matches in BattlARTS?

 

Also, what do you think of Hidetaka Aso?

I was a big fan of the Japanese indys as I posted in the that other thread on here some while ago, but Sawada just seems like a random answer specially when guys like Tarzan Goto, Hayabusa, etc. would be more willing candidates than him.

 

Did Hidetaka Aso ever do pro-wrestling? I'm not sure if he ever did. He's in the list of grapplers who never did pro-wrestling, but I think would've been fantastic had they chosen to like Rumina Sato, Hideo Tokoro and Masakazu Imanari.






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