shodate Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 this was produced by the people who own ROH I would boycott wwe too since Vince is very pro trump very pro neo-Liberal but the left will never Mobilise agest WWE or non-NRA Bissuness who fund or back Trump or the GOP using boycott tactics work if we mobilise enough people but the more bougousie part of the left will refuse to boycott stuff that makes there life harder comrade you need to fight the good fight and boycott and get every left winger or anti trump right winger to get there people to do it too take half of wwe possible fanbase away and boycott ROH until there Propagandizing Owners stop spewing this stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordi Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 SInclair Broadcast Group owns ROH? Damn... Those guys are close to pure evil. It's not just that I don't agree with their politics. It's a free country. People have the right to support Trump if that's what they want to do. But Sinclair Group are buying up local TV stations and forcing them to broadcast propaganda. That is a step beyond. I can't imagine a boycott will have any effect at all, but if I was watching current ROH this would get me to seriously consider stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 ROH is such a small part of their business though that the only thing a boycott would damage is ROH, not Sinclair itself. Boycotts are only useful as part of an organised campaign that goes beyond the boycott itself imo. I don't think cutting ROH out of your schedule would make any difference on a wider level, though if you want to do it for personal reasons it makes sense. Whenever I get asked to boycott something over it's dodgy politics I always think to myself that my iPhone was probably made by a child slave or something and no one ever asks me to boycott it. We're all already compromised in that sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Agreed with FMKK. ROH is barely a blip on Sinclair's radar. That being said, that video is some Orwellian shit. Meanwhile, you probably all contributed financing Trump's campaign if you subscribed to the WWE Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Agreed with FMKK. ROH is barely a blip on Sinclair's radar. That being said, that video is some Orwellian shit. Meanwhile, you probably all contributed financing Trump's campaign if you subscribed to the WWE Network. im not subbed to the network non powerbomb tv US wrestling i owne on dvd [ ROH PWG] i download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Agreed with FMKK. ROH is barely a blip on Sinclair's radar. That being said, that video is some Orwellian shit. Meanwhile, you probably all contributed financing Trump's campaign if you subscribed to the WWE Network. That's what I was thinking. And historically, just about every pro wrestling promoter (not everyone, but almost everyone) has done awful things or supported awful causes. I have no issues with a boycott of ROH, but I also think you could argue most of the same justification for boycotting all pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Sinclair is based in our area and is truly one of the most dreadful companies in a blighted media landscape. I stopped watching ROH a long time ago, so I don't have a dog in this fight. But a serious boycott (which won't happen) would probably hurt the wrestlers, who've done nothing to deserve it, far more than the corporate overlords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 This has to be the first time Vince McMahon has ever been described as a neoliberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I don't think it's an inaccurate description. Tax cuts, military intervention, deregulation, and free trade. Also, I came here to post this article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-03/sinclair-employees-say-their-contracts-make-it-too-expensive-to-quit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 They only view RoH as cheap programming and that's been confirmed through multiple stories over the years. I doubt this would do anything other than cost some wrestlers a pay check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 They only view RoH as cheap programming and that's been confirmed through multiple stories over the years. I doubt this would do anything other than cost some wrestlers a pay check. Not to mention they had to pretty much be shamed into spending money to upgrade production for ROH. The first few months of Sinclair-owned ROH TV were embarrassingly low rent looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yeah, sorry, shodate, as much as I dislike Sinclair, I think you've got this backwards. A few weeks ago, I (and seemingly tens of thousands of other people) sent a letter threatening a boycott of Snickers until they pressured the WWE to rename their women's battle royal. The idea was that if you boycotted the sponsor, the wrestling company would change their stance. Here, it seems like the opposite. If we boycott Ring of Honor, we're boycotting the wrestling company in the hopes that the sponsor will change. I just don't think the leverage is there. If half the RoH audience stops watching over Sinclair's political stances (which I abhor), sadly, RoH is the thing that'll go away, not Sinclair's agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 They only view RoH as cheap programming and that's been confirmed through multiple stories over the years. I doubt this would do anything other than cost some wrestlers a pay check. Not to mention they had to pretty much be shamed into spending money to upgrade production for ROH. The first few months of Sinclair-owned ROH TV were embarrassingly low rent looking. Wasn't it a solid year or two before they upgraded the production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Agreed with FMKK. ROH is barely a blip on Sinclair's radar. That being said, that video is some Orwellian shit. Meanwhile, you probably all contributed financing Trump's campaign if you subscribed to the WWE Network. I cancelled my subscription when I heard about the donation. That money could have went to helping former talent whose work they use to keep the network running. Boycotting ROH would only hurt ROH. What would be better is going after sponsors who buy ads on Sinclair stations, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Agreed with FMKK. ROH is barely a blip on Sinclair's radar. That being said, that video is some Orwellian shit. Meanwhile, you probably all contributed financing Trump's campaign if you subscribed to the WWE Network. I cancelled my subscription when I heard about the donation. That money could have went to helping former talent whose work they use to keep the network running. Boycotting ROH would only hurt ROH. What would be better is going after sponsors who buy ads on Sinclair stations, i meationed roh olny cause this is wrestling site stuff like this need ot fought and hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 The ROH Champ is a babyface flamboyantly gay character with two twinkie subs, who's a hero the crowd loves. Sinclair isn't paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 This has to be the first time Vince McMahon has ever been described as a neoliberal. His rise as the top promoter in wrestling and head of a globalised brand maps quite well onto the emergence of neoliberalism as the predominant political/economic force with the administrations of Reagan and Thatcher, although the imagery of 80s WWF borrows a lot more from the cultural domain of Reaganism than it does from the economic side obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 This has to be the first time Vince McMahon has ever been described as a neoliberal. His rise as the top promoter in wrestling and head of a globalised brand maps quite well onto the emergence of neoliberalism as the predominant political/economic force with the administrations of Reagan and Thatcher, although the imagery of 80s WWF borrows a lot more from the cultural domain of Reaganism than it does from the economic side obviously. Vince is far Right winger Economics wise so of cause he a Neoliberal hes so close to the top is why he never been brought up on anti Monopoly charges like he should have been like the NWA was in the 1950's/60's the same back the UFC anti-monopoly case The neo-Lib establishment need to be attacked at all time until it crumbles and dies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I would say things like that are more to do with people in power not caring about pro wrestling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I would say things like that are more to do with people in power not caring about pro wrestling in the 50's and 60'sthey went after Muschick and the nwa for that reason the anti-monopoly laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Yeah, that's one thing that I always found interesting. From all accounts, Vince would be strongly considered a "liberal" o'er here in Brazil, specially due to the fact that his leanings draw parallels to the same politics featured in the rise of neoliberal politics that plagued our country and the south american region during the late 80s and early 90s. Said movement is going through a revival lately (alongside the ressurrection of the corpse of a military dictatorship), so it more than makes sense to brand hiim a neolib. However, it sure is funny, as an outsider, to see people from the US or the Western world call left-leaning fellows as liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodate Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Yeah, that's one thing that I always found interesting. From all accounts, Vince would be strongly considered a "liberal" o'er here in Brazil, specially due to the fact that his leanings draw parallels to the same politics featured in the rise of neoliberal politics that plagued our country and the south american region during the late 80s and early 90s. Said movement is going through a revival lately (alongside the ressurrection of the corpse of a military dictatorship), so it more than makes sense to brand hiim a neolib. However, it sure is funny, as an outsider, to see people from the US or the Western world call left-leaning fellows as liberals. Im in your mindset here the LDP here is centre right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Neoliberals are sometimes socially liberal, but their real religion is liberalizing markets. To me, the most neoliberal thing possible would be ensuring that a committee to strengthen our nuclear arsenal had the right amount of diversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Also, I came here to post this article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-03/sinclair-employees-say-their-contracts-make-it-too-expensive-to-quit Would this make it impossible for someone to buy ROH from them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Neoliberals are sometimes socially liberal, but their real religion is liberalizing markets. To me, the most neoliberal thing possible would be ensuring that a committee to strengthen our nuclear arsenal had the right amount of diversity. Yeah, American politics for the last 25 years or so has been a debate about how much diversity (in the most tokenistic way) should be permitted within the administrating of neoliberal capitalism. Similar for Britain really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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