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Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?


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#1 Loss

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 12:44 PM

Serious question. I was trying to think of a promotion that has ever been worse and was struggling. Relatively major league promotions (meaning some type of TV or at least plenty of available footage) would be the criteria for competition. I'd take WCW 2000, which was a horrible year of wrestling for the most part, over any 12-month period of TNA. This is totally non-trolling. I'm just trying to think of a wrestling company -- ever -- that was definitely worse than TNA has been for their entire existence.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 12:56 PM

The contenders: - WCW 2000 had some vastly entertaining B-shows. - GLOW wasn't really supposed to be any sort of serious wrestling. - Herb Abrams' UWF had some decent stuff on and off w/ Doc, Gordy, Cactus, etc. - Florida in '87 was a huge decline from the glory years, but you still had good stuff w/ guys like the Sheepherders and Bad News Allen. - XPW had good stuff sprinkled throughout the card during its whole run and was perfectly fine for its last several months. - ECW in 2000 had Tajiri-Psicosis, the tag tournament, and Chris Hamrick. - The AWF didn't last long and had some decent stuff w/ Adams, Tito, & Orton.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:03 PM

For however bad WCW was in 2000, they still had: - TV (Nitro, Thunder, SN [until April], Worldwide) - Touring Arenas - Actual audience and crowds (even if they were falling rapidly from previous years)

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:34 PM

AWF is the only one that even comes close in my opinion, but, ultimately I'd give the nod to TNA. TNA has squandered every single potential break the company has had and blown every potential lead to gain ground. Some of them have been so gloriously botched that cash cows never produced a dime. TNA is basically a bunch of teenagers throwing a party with someone else's money while the parents are away. Any time they started to gain momentum (I thought for instance that the summer shows were pretty hot for the most part) they almost immediately do something to fuck it up. They're just...inept.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:44 PM

I'd wager that ECW from around the time they got on TNN to the end was pretty terrible. Guys were leaving left and right resulting in pretty much company loyalists and jobbers at the end feuding for titles.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:52 PM

But at least you knew who the champions were.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 03:56 PM

Perhaps AWA 1990 should rank up there as well. A better question, what was the worst promotion that wasn't on its last legs?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 05:22 PM

Perhaps AWA 1990 should rank up there as well.



For real. Team Challenge Series in the Pink Room O' Doom trumps all.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 06:25 PM

Serious question. I was trying to think of a promotion that has ever been worse and was struggling.

Relatively major league promotions (meaning some type of TV or at least plenty of available footage) would be the criteria for competition. I'd take WCW 2000, which was a horrible year of wrestling for the most part, over any 12-month period of TNA.

This is totally non-trolling. I'm just trying to think of a wrestling company -- ever -- that was definitely worse than TNA has been for their entire existence.


I assume the original question is not talking about business so much as it is personal taste?

For me, my worst wrestling promotion in history is the WWF Attitude era in the late 90s. By far, and it's not even close. I hated that era. In every single way possible. I could write an essay about this but I hate it so much I can't stand wasting that much time on it.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 06:32 PM

The really bad Russoed up Attitude stuff was barely a year though, as some good stuff was still happening until he really went full tilt around Survivor Series '98.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:09 PM

I thought TNA was fairly good in 2005. In an incredible coincidence this was (I believe) the only year in which Russo was not involved with the promotion at all.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:11 PM

As opposed to tonight's PPV, which featured Christy Hemme vs A Fat Dude In A Thong in a tuxedo match. Worst promotion ever? I'm having trouble saying no!

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:37 PM

Herb Abrams' UWF was bad. WOW was bad. I haven't seen a whole lot of it, mainly because it is so goddamn awful that it's unbearable, but this Memphis television with Lawler, Fat Jonathan Coachman, Jimmy Hart, as it's hosts, and for some reason Mabel as their big star is pretty bad as well. TNA managed to have a period of very strong PPVs which is a plus for them. Thoughout their entire history they've had enough positives to not make them a total failure. Though the bad certainly outweighs the good and I'd rather, at this point in time, drink stomach acid than watch their shows.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 09:49 PM

I actually liked WOW in a non-ironic fashion. Aside from the goofy gimmicks, the booking was solid and logical. The women were mostly very, very green, but it was fun to see some of them grow into decent wrestlers.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 10:04 PM

Uh, I actually kind of liked Abrams shows. Not that they were good, but they were unoffensive and an interesting place to see some of the "stars" work in. I haven't watched any of the stuff I have on tape in a long time (I have a couple of commercial releases IIRC), but I seem to remember thinking they were solid. TNA has managed to kill Joe, turn their "serious wrestling" division into an extended comedy angle with a washed up star who can't get into a ring without coming up broken, and destroy LAX which was maybe the only culturally relevant, interesting gimmick in mainstream wrestling. My wife watched Impact with me last night and we couldn't decipher what the hell was intended as a comedy segment and what wasn't. Bad.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 06:59 AM

I'm not sure. I don't actually see the show, but from the looks of the results, it seems an absolutely abysmal show. They have the talent, but the booking is beyond horrible. At the same time, I have about five PPV's from them in 2005, and all of them are really solid, certainly nothing too awful, and some really good stuff, like a couple of fantastic Joe/Styles matches. Joe was being booked great back then, and had maintained his aura. They really should have had him steamroller through the heavyweight division and taken the belt of Jarrett. Instead, he was pushed aside in favour of new 'stars' from WWE, and lost his unbeaten streak to Angle, a guy who totally didn't need it at all.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 09:04 AM

At least for the Attitude era, you had strong numbers, very over wrestlers, and hot crowds. TNA has never had any of these.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 09:54 AM

I can't believe XPW has only gotten like one mention in this thread. I think MLW probably deserves an honorable mention as well. Look, I agree TNA sucks, but how can a promotion that has at least a few match MOTYCs possibly be the "worst wrestling promotion in history"? I couldn't make myself watch a whole show, but I've certainly tracked down some matches here and there. The saddest thing to me about TNA is the incredible potential that they have continued to piss away month after month. Look at the roster: they have Low Ki, Joe, A.J., Homicide, Ares, Sabin, Shelley, Daniels, Petey, Lynn, Abyss, and so many others I'm forgetting. And they put on a weekly show that I'm only watching in fast forward to catch the Kevin Nash promos? It's sad, the national TV deal has only made things worse. It's pretty easy to make a case for TNA having the most wasted potential in the history of pro wrestling promotions. Harder to argue that they're the "worst," but yeah, they're pretty bad.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 10:11 AM

I haven't seen anything from TNA that I would give a second look at, possibly the 12/05 Styles/Joe match. MLW and XPW never had as large of TV as TNA has either, though I guess that is not what we are arguing.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 10:17 AM

XPW versus TNA is definitely intriguing as far as which was worse. I'm not sure how I feel about that, as I don't think I ever saw more than 5 seconds of XPW. But they did have Juventud Guerrera, who is either very awesome or the most entertaining trainwreck ever at all times. I'm curious which Juvi showed up in XPW. I guess the main point from this thread was that it's really hard to come up with promotions (or eras of promotions) that are inarguably worse. As far as the worst years of promotions not on their last legs, I think WWF's worst years are 1995, 1999 and 2002. 1999 was a successful year that showed that Austin and Rock were hot enough to draw in any environment - no matter how horrible it was. 1995 was a low period financially, but there were plenty of good matches. 2002 had way too many missed opportunities, buried a lot of guys with potential and stayed in panic mode for no reason all year long, but also had plenty of good matches and good shows. WCW was pretty consistently inconsistent. The wrestling was always really good, and they probably had a better roster than the WWF (star power and talent) for most of their entire existence until the Rads departed in 2000. It's hard to pick a worst year outside of 2000, because WCW produced tons of good stuff despite shooting themselves in the foot all the time. 1999 was probably the worst, just because I don't think I've ever seen as many heat-sinking main eventers in a major league company at one time feuding with each other.




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