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#41 Stuttsy

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 05:07 PM

And on XPW...I don't really have anything positive to say about the company..BUT one key difference is that they didn't seem to destroy their stars. TNA has pretty much sunk LAX, The entire X-Division, Joe,Christian, Abyss, and even Angle. It's almost lilke they create stars to destroy them. XPW never created any stars really, so the results of their shittiness was less horrifying.


Well said. XPW & MLW too for that matter get a pass from me in this discussion because, frankly, there was never any potential there anyway. Whereas TNA gets far harsher criticism from me for wasting a ton of potential.

I'm not sure that in five years, TNA has successfully executed a storyline from start to finish.


Now that is an excellent point, I would love for someone to try and figure that out, because I genuinely can't think of any.

On the subject of WOW's goofy gimmicks, I personally feel like that's all about context. WOW to me came off 100% like an updated version of GLOW and as such I basically assumed that it was SUPPOSED to be campy and cheesy and the gimmicks were basically supposed to be your most basic level of stereotypical characters. And still, what's wrong with campy gimmicks? That's a foundation of the business. Give me that over all this horrible, horrible bullshit TNA's doing where no one knows who is a heel or babyface or what their motivation is, from a character standpoint.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 03:54 AM

If this were based purely on personal taste, I would say ECW from 1998-2001 but for whatever reason the company had their most successful house show run in 2000-2001. At this point Paul had lost all of his creative juice and was simply pandering to smarks by putting on token "good matches" that were not supposed to emotionally connect with the crowd. I *really* hated WWE 2003. You had Vince wrestling in Main Events in 4 PPVs, the insane Sable push, an incredibly stale, unmotivated HHH, Zach Gowen, Mr. America, Bischoff v Austin in the putrid co-GM angle, the Shane-Kane feud, Redneck Challenge, Bischoff "raping" Linda McMahon, Jim Ross set on fire, the Test-Steiner feud over Stacy, a Maven push, La Resitance, "Sheriff" Austin, the goofy comedy in Angle/Brock. Plus stuff I've forgotten. Add on to the fact that business was down. Definitely 1999 for WCW. There were some good matches (especially in the tag division) but the bad far outweighed the good. You had Sid's streak, macho Man-Nash feud, the inexplicable Madusa push, the Cat getting wins over popular midcarders, David Flair, Junkyard Hardcore Battle Royal or whatever it was called, Insane Clown posse, Van Hammer getting TV time,the aborted "new" v "old" angle, West Texas Rednecks, the Windham brothers getting pushed, No Limit Soldiers, First Family squashing Revolution, Duggan ruining Berlin's push, Hogan/Flair double turn. And that all happened before Russo showed up.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 01:25 AM

I *really* hated WWE 2003. You had Vince wrestling in Main Events in 4 PPVs, the insane Sable push, an incredibly stale, unmotivated HHH, Zach Gowen, Mr. America, Bischoff v Austin in the putrid co-GM angle, the Shane-Kane feud, Redneck Challenge, Bischoff "raping" Linda McMahon, Jim Ross set on fire, the Test-Steiner feud over Stacy, a Maven push, La Resitance, "Sheriff" Austin, the goofy comedy in Angle/Brock. Plus stuff I've forgotten. Add on to the fact that business was down.


I definitely agree with this as a candidate for worst period of television, but it really can't qualify as worst wrestling promotion ever from a business standpoint, as the company was still either making a little money or not losing buckets and buckets of it (I'm not up on the business stats) but as far as piss poor programming, definite candidate.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 09:11 AM

I definitely agree with this as a candidate for worst period of television, but it really can't qualify as worst wrestling promotion ever from a business standpoint, as the company was still either making a little money or not losing buckets and buckets of it (I'm not up on the business stats) but as far as piss poor programming, definite candidate.


Well if we're just talking worst television runs, wouldn't the new ECW from its debut to present be the clear frontrunner?

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 10:55 AM

TNA tv is FAAAAAAAAAARRRR worse than current ECW tv and they have never run a ppv as good as either of the ONS shows.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 12:07 PM

I think Turning Point 2005 is better than NOS2 at least.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 12:34 PM

TNA tv is FAAAAAAAAAARRRR worse than current ECW tv and they have never run a ppv as good as either of the ONS shows.


Nothing is "far" worse than the new ECW tv. There may be something out there that's worse, but it can't be by much. It's like saying that radiation poisoning is a far worse way to die than burning to death. It may be slightly worse, but death can only be so bad, you know?

ECW December to Dismember was the worst PPV I've ever seen, and it's really not even close. Even if the weekly shows are close to equally bad (and I'll admit it's close), TNA has put on some decent PPV's, or at least had some great matches on PPV. TNA's booking is non-sensical, while ECW's booking seems designed to completely alienate all of the fans of the original product.

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:03 PM

Then you have the issue of whether "new" ECW deserves to rank as its own promotion. It's really just a "B" show.

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 02:42 AM

Then you have the issue of whether "new" ECW deserves to rank as its own promotion. It's really just a "B" show.



Is it really a debate? ECW is just another brand like RAW and Smackdown, no one would argue they are separate promotions.

Speaking of, I think they hit on something with the ECW Originals vs New Breed feud. They finally found something for the old guys to do and it might give some of the new faces a rub they badly need.

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 04:15 PM


TNA tv is FAAAAAAAAAARRRR worse than current ECW tv and they have never run a ppv as good as either of the ONS shows.


Nothing is "far" worse than the new ECW tv. There may be something out there that's worse, but it can't be by much. It's like saying that radiation poisoning is a far worse way to die than burning to death. It may be slightly worse, but death can only be so bad, you know?

ECW December to Dismember was the worst PPV I've ever seen, and it's really not even close. Even if the weekly shows are close to equally bad (and I'll admit it's close), TNA has put on some decent PPV's, or at least had some great matches on PPV. TNA's booking is non-sensical, while ECW's booking seems designed to completely alienate all of the fans of the original product.


I couldn't disagree with you more. ECW books like they may actually have an idea of what they may want to do in the future. While TNA runs in this horrible grey area where storylines go no where and wrestlers turn face/heel on a whim. There was also more decent wrestling on December to Dismember than the last TNA PPV. TNA is far worse than anything on tv right now.

#51 Dylan Waco

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 10:33 PM

Compare the clusterfuck gimmick "concept" matches. "Extreme Elimination Chamber" sucked ass, failed to promise on any of the gimmicks, and sent the fans home totally unsatsisfied. Still though, at least you could follow what the fuck was going on. Try following the logic or "story" in anyone of the King Of The Mountain matches. Good luck.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 04:49 AM

TNA is horrible but is far from the worse. That goes to MLW and 1993-1997 USWA. MLW with Steve Corino as champion vs washed up Mike Awesome and Terry Funk was horrible. The best thing out of the final year of USWA was the ECW vs USWA feud where Paul E. just ripped Lawler on his own program. I actually liked some of XPW. They had Mexico's most wanted and those guys rule. And I got a kick out of Dynamite D. My favorite gimmick was probably White Trash Johnny Webb with his racist porn star girlfriend Jessica Darlin.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:42 AM

There was still a bunch of good stuff in the USWA's last 4 years. It did drop off after the big Moondogs feud, but you still had the rise of Brian Christopher & PG-13, Jeff Jarrett's first heel turn, Eddie Gilbert's last Memphis run, the SMW feud, and a bunch of other fun stuff.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:08 PM

You know, I think a lot of the TNA hysteria comes from people hoping they'd be the white knight to save pro wrestling from the WWE. When they didn't live up to expectations, that's when all the "dead in 3 months" stuff started. Every so often people just hitch their wagon to what they hope is the company that's going to knock Vince McMahon on his ass, and end up turning on said company when it becomes apparent they aren't going to do it. Is TNA bad, even horrible at times? Sure. Worst promotion in history? That's just crazy. Just look at all the justification going on in this thread on why other worse promotions don't count.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 12:15 PM

In fairness, there were a couple points where TNA would have been dead in 3 months if not for various unexpected saviors.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 04:17 PM

What about GWF in the Grey Pierson era?

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 05:40 PM

I say IWA-MS is the worst. I mean, they're awesome in a carny sense but horrible in a non-drawing shitty wrestling sense.

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 07:50 PM

IWA-MS is a good example why TV is crucial. I really wonder why no promotion tries the ECW approach anymore, in this DVD age ECW might have had a higher survival chance.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 04:42 PM

Since this thread had been recently revived, I didn't even notice at first that most of the posts were 20 months old. But I read it with interest. I think that TNA has done some good stuff in the intervening time (BFG 07 was a fantastic show, for example). They've used Booker in a decent manner, and they got me to enjoy Steiner. Nash has continued to be amusing. And the AJ/Angle feud about Karen was entertaining for a little while. Most importantly, they have helped to create a believable women's division, with quality qrestling given almost enough time -- when was the last time WWE ever has 2 women's matches on a PPV, with both of them being decent? However, they have continued to let storylines fizzle. They have run silly gimmicks, like Sharkboy, that get old quickly. (Still, I like Machismo and Curryman.) They have let Angle be their everything, to the point of making us viewers sick of one of the best the business has seen. And now they've let Jarrett around again. . . Late 2007 and early 2008 were some good years for the promotion, at least on PPV -- iMPACT was still hit or miss. So it might not be the worst ever compared to 2006.

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 09:03 PM

It was really hard to see the latest round of post-PPV Impact spoilers on DVDVR and not instantly think of this thread, because really read as some rancid TV in the extreme.




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