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#41 Jingus

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 08:15 AM

Chris Nowinski's research into concussions as relating to depression, dementia, and suicide all suddenly looks a lot more relevant, doesn't it? It does piss me off however that a lot of people just insist that wrestling MUST be at least partly if not fully to blame. Last time I checked, the majority of wrestlers weren't murderers, and the majority of murderers weren't wrestlers.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:02 AM

Notes on tonight's WWE TV show in San Antonio



by Dave Meltzer

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The lack of an understandable explanation to the circumstances of the death of Chris, Nancy and Daniel Benoit has left virtually the entire wrestling community reeling.

Within WWE, the obvious questions and lack of answers are no different from fans and most of his long-time friends.

Vince McMahon was the inspiring general both to the wrestlers as well as the office staff all day yesterday. He held it together and was a rock of strength for much of the talent, which because of their admiration and in many cases love for Benoit, were saddened, perplexed and having an incredibly difficult time dealing with it.

Vince made the decision to run Smackdown and ECW tapings tonight without any angles or backstage storylines. The show will consist of straight wrestling matches and like last night, the original shows were scrapped. The attempt to put together a show was difficult because the crew and creative staff were said to be both emotionally and physically wrecked after yesterday.

The belief is they will brief viewers on what happened early in the show, and then product two low key shows of nothing but matches.



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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:10 AM

I can't see how they can tape 3 hours of TV, even if it's just straight wrestling matches, under the circumstances. This is so much more than the usual wrestling tragedy where someone with a history of drug use is found OD'd or dead of some form of chemically induced heart failure. Even with Owen it was just a freak accident and not the result of a murderous rampage. More power to whoever can perform tonight, even JBL seemed pretty shaken up. I guess at least Smackdown can rely on being taped to help move things along.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:58 AM

In the Benoit thread over at DVDVR one poster brought up a very good point, and, honestly, I've actually spent the bulk of my morning running errands with it floating in the back of my mind. Many wrestling fans have feelings of utter contempt for Invader I for what happened to Brody, and similar feelings for Russo and McMahon over Owen Hart (and yes, I'm well aware of the vast difference in those two situations). If it's concluded that Nancy and Daniel were in fact killed by Chris, before suicide. Will that change how we, as wrestling fans view Benoit?

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:16 AM

In the Benoit thread over at DVDVR one poster brought up a very good point, and, honestly, I've actually spent the bulk of my morning running errands with it floating in the back of my mind.

Many wrestling fans have feelings of utter contempt for Invader I for what happened to Brody, and similar feelings for Russo and McMahon over Owen Hart (and yes, I'm well aware of the vast difference in those two situations).

If it's concluded that Nancy and Daniel were in fact killed by Chris, before suicide. Will that change how we, as wrestling fans view Benoit?

It may.

But I can still watch Invader 1 matches and enjoy them knowing what he did to Brody.

I just won't get choked up watching Benoit matches like I do watching some of Eddy's.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:17 AM

I have to say, I watched a Benoit match today, and found I was merely apathetic. I can honestly say though, that it was more due to me boredom at a lot of wrestling than any contempt to the wrestlers, so it probably won't effect the way I watch his matches. I think WMXX won't be ranked so high anymore by most people, since a lot of what made that match was the happiness they felt for Benoit at finally achieving his goal, which may now be evaporated. I'm not jumping to conclusions though, I mean, anything is possible. Nancy could have killed the kid, and Benoit killed her in a rage then himself because he was unable to live with them. He may have been suffering dementia from all the neck and head trauma and the steroids. Who can say.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:18 AM

I don't know how I'll react to this long-term. I certainly understand the folks who feel, right now, that they never want to see another Benoit match. I was thrilled to receive Goodhelmet's Finlay comp in the mail yesterday. But as the news started to break, I wondered if I'd want to watch the Benoit matches. I can't imagine enjoying them right now. But at the same time, I thought of his upcoming Guerrero comp and found myself hoping that the Benoit matches would stay on that one because they're such a tribute to Eddy's art. This is all very trivial compared to the main story, but these are clearly the sorts of things we think about when a public person does the unthinkable. So I guess it's worth discussing in a glimpse of the human mindset kind of way. Sorry, I'm rambling -- just don't have a compass on this one.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:25 AM

http://www.tmz.com/2...tails-revealed/

Benoit Murder Details Revealed

Posted Jun 26th 2007 11:37AM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned more about the deaths of WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation by the coroner on the cause and time of the deaths.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

A police investigation is ongoing.



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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:38 AM

Following up on Bix's post, and dragging over what I wrote on tOA: I've seen in several places that Wade Keller's audio update (subscription req) reported several hours prior to TMZ. I tend to give it credibility. From the comments of the DA, and having seen them fuller in the CNN clip, it's clear from the crime scene that Nancy and Daniel were murdered. The only question was whether it was triple homicide or murder-suicide. While he was specific that they weren't ruling out a triple homicide, the comments about the murder-suicide and that they weren't looking for anyone else... one could tell that they were 99.99% certain what they were seeing. Fake suicides are hard to successfully stage in the midst of a triple homicide. Given Chris athletisism, there likely would have been a give-away sign - signs of a struggle, or a blow to the head before anyone could try to stage it. Those are things homicide dicks instantly look for. Given the body tempts could give a very clear indication of the times of death, and obviously Chris' being well after Nancy's... if Chris was found in a fashion that reflected suicide (and the Keller/TMZ report is such a fashion), the likelihood of something other than sucide is essentially nil. This is a brutal story. John

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:41 AM

Addendum... One wishes the loons around the net who are trying to say Nancy may have killed Daniel and then Chris snapped on her would just shut the fuck up. Bix has pointed out elsewhere - time of death isn't difficult to establish, especially if they are as spread out as the appear to be in this case. John

#51 anarchistxx

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:47 AM

I'm only speculating. Nobody really knows what happened. At the Cricket World Cup, the death of Bob Woolmer was reported as a murder for a week, before more conclusive tests confirmed it wasn't a murder. Until something official gets released, I'm keeping an open mind.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:49 AM

One thing I can't seem to figure out -- did Benoit go to Houston for Vengeance and then leave, or did he call saying he wouldn't be able to make it? When was his last match with WWE? Did he wrestle at all over the weekend for house shows?

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:51 AM

Addendum...

One wishes the loons around the net who are trying to say Nancy may have killed Daniel and then Chris snapped on her would just shut the fuck up. Bix has pointed out elsewhere - time of death isn't difficult to establish, especially if they are as spread out as the appear to be in this case.

John


Not surprising. People will be in denial until it's 100% confirmed, rather than 99%. Even then, I'm sure some will grasp at hope.

http://www.ajc.com/m...0625benoit.html

Apparently the Benoit household has had problems with domestic abuse. I was surprised to see this now, because I don't remember hearing about it before.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:53 AM

I am hoping that at some point, maybe in the bio, Meltzer will explain the real reason Benoit left for several months last year, as opposed to the "official" one, which I never really bought.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:56 AM

One thing I can't seem to figure out -- did Benoit go to Houston for Vengeance and then leave, or did he call saying he wouldn't be able to make it? When was his last match with WWE? Did he wrestle at all over the weekend for house shows?

Benoit missed the Saturday show, but reports conflict as to whether he made it to Texas or not.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:07 AM

Yes, and I do see where my question was answered earlier in the thread. Thanks.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:08 AM

Has there ever even been a situation like this in professional wrestling?

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:11 AM

Not quite like this, no.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:13 AM

Depending one what shape Benoit's brain is in (in the literal physical & chemical sense) and how his internal organs look, this could very well be a breaking point Re: concussions & steroids. One of the guy's favorite spots WAS repeated legit headbutts.


Not really the time to toot my own horn, but I've been saying this from the jump. I really think when you make a career out of shit like that, you break in with the Harts, your hero is the dynamite kid, you are a roidhead..I mean god it's really the "perfect storm" for something terrible like this.

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 11:20 AM

I am hoping that at some point, maybe in the bio, Meltzer will explain the real reason Benoit left for several months last year, as opposed to the "official" one, which I never really bought.



Agreed. That is going to be the source of much mystery and controversy for wrestling fans from now until the end of time.




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