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#21 goodhelmet

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 05:52 PM

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 06:55 PM

Holy crap, Flair/Taylor from 6/1/85 is a classic. Flair is beyond words amazing in that match, and it's also a good performance from Taylor, even if he is totally being carried at times (love Flair having to lift his own leg so a blown up Taylor could apply a figure four leglock). I wouldn't go as far to call Taylor a broomstick, but he ran out of gas halfway through this match, and then Flair turned out this amazing performance to disguise it. My new working #1.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:08 PM

I have a question when you guys rate matches,

When you rate matches, what are you looking for? The Guerrero/Olympia was good but really annoyed me at times. I would have rated it higher if Olympia was allowed to do more on offense but his chinlock.
Also how much does crowd heat or lack thereof enter into it? Do you tend to rate a match higher if there is more importance on it.?
Does it seem weird to anyone watching how little they do in these matches and get so much heat compared to how much they do today and how little heat they seem to get.
Also Bobby Eaton is so much more awesome in disc 1 than I thought and I have always loved him.
And Stagger Lee in 1984 sucks more than any wrestler I have ever seen in 30 years of watching wrestling.

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Thank you so much for helping with this set. This is my favorite era of all time and Im embarassed that I was too lazy to help with it. The matches you have are great, but I think there are so many more great matches you could have easily gone up to 200.

Lastly, any chance JDW actually watches all 150. My over/under is 85.


I'm not really looking for anything specific when I watch a match myself. It's more of a case where I let the wrestlers lead the way and then write what I think of it afterwards.

Heat is a factor at times, but it's not really incidental in Mid South. There are times in these matches where you see them bring the crowd up and down through their work in the ring, or they turn around what starts off as a less enthused crowd. So yeah, it's a big factor. It's not noise heat like a big Hogan match at MSG most of the time in these.

JYD was pretty broken down by '84, but I can think of worse wrestlers, even on this set. Have you watched Master G yet?

And jdw is watching this? Great! I know he's not interested in making a ballot, but I would love to hear his thoughts on this stuff.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:16 PM

Holy crap, Flair/Taylor from 6/1/85 is a classic. Flair is beyond words amazing in that match, and it's also a good performance from Taylor, even if he is totally being carried at times (love Flair having to lift his own leg so a blown up Taylor could apply a figure four leglock). I wouldn't go as far to call Taylor a broomstick, but he ran out of gas halfway through this match, and then Flair turned out this amazing performance to disguise it. My new working #1.


I have to watch the Flair-Taylor matches altogether but I remember watching this and not being as excited as you are. I was far more excited watching the Reed-Murdoch matches.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:26 PM

So now I'm all the way through Disc 4, except for the Houston Rock & Rolls vs Doc & DiBiase match, which I'll have to watch on another TV tomorrow since it has no sound for me. Here are some updated rankings and added thoughts. 1. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) -- Mentioned my thoughts on this one elsewhere in the thread. 2. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) 3. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) -- Totally didn't expect this one to be so great. I think this may be the sleeper match of the set, meaning it didn't look too good on paper for me, but turned out to be awesome. Daniels is the hot tag guy and is rarely even in, but Dundee and Len Denton have awesome chemistry, and I'd love to see a singles match with them. I don't want to say too much about this before anyone watches it, but this will completely blow your mind in terms of a match being better than you'd ever expect it to be. Even if it falls, it will still finish very high. 4. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) 5. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) 6. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) 7. Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong (2/10/85) 8. Ted Dibiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) 9. Ted Dibiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) 10. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (11/16/84) 11. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) -- This was the RRX/DWB match I needed to see. Tim Cooke said it was amazing and he's right. Screw what I said before about the teams not matching up well. 12. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) 13. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) 14. Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) 15. Rock N Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (6/28/85) -- This is all kinds of great for all kinds of reasons. BUT ... wait until you see this match and see what happens when Jake gets caught in the ropes. That's all I'll say about that. You can see Jake calling spots for everyone at times, and Nord is obviously green, but is working really hard and fits in well here. I love that Jake waits until the heat is where he wants it before he actually starts beating up Ricky Morton. Until then, they're just going to have fun and do comedy sequences. Awesome stuff. 16. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) 17. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) 18. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) 19. Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase (1/16/85) 20. The Fantastics vs. Dr. Death & Jake Roberts (4/14/85) 21. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) 22. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) 23. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) 24. Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) 25. The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84) 26. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) 27. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) 28. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (Scaffold Match) (12/2/84) 29. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) 30. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) 31. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) 32. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) 33. Magnum TA v. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) 34. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) 35. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) 36. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) 37. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (6/19/85) 38. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) 39. Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) 40. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) 41. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) 42. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) 43. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (1/21/85) 44. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Rock N Roll Express & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (1/18/85) 45. Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum TA & Master G (Street Fight) (11/4/84) 46. Brickhouse Brown & Master Gee vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) 47. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) 48. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) 49. Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) 50. Butch Reed v. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) 51. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (4/15/85) 52. Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor (Loser Leaves Town) (12/7/84) 53. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) 54. Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala & One Man Gang (2/25/85) 55. Killer Khan v. Chris Adams (9/9/84) 56. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (1/18/85) 57. Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) 58. Rock N Roll Express vs. Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts (6/24/85) -- Maybe a rewatch will change my mind, but I didn't really get into this all that much. I had pretty high expectations, but it still didn't do much for me. 59. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85) 60. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82)

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 07:29 PM

Holy crap, Flair/Taylor from 6/1/85 is a classic. Flair is beyond words amazing in that match, and it's also a good performance from Taylor, even if he is totally being carried at times (love Flair having to lift his own leg so a blown up Taylor could apply a figure four leglock). I wouldn't go as far to call Taylor a broomstick, but he ran out of gas halfway through this match, and then Flair turned out this amazing performance to disguise it. My new working #1.


I have to watch the Flair-Taylor matches altogether but I remember watching this and not being as excited as you are. I was far more excited watching the Reed-Murdoch matches.


I had seen it before and it didn't really register with me, but this time, it definitely did. I still think at least one of the Murdoch/Reed matches will end up ahead of this, though, but I've been proving myself wrong constantly since watching this.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 08:24 PM

1. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85)


So you are way ahead of me on rewatching these things but at the time we originally went through these my memory was that this was the one that I felt was the least of the three. Part of the reason was that it aped move for move Reed v Flair No DQ too closely and Reed was so much better in that match. At the time, the other two Taylor v Flair matches told a different story while this just felt like a poor man's version of Reed v Flair.

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 09:42 PM

Hey Loss is the Taylor/Flair match the same one that was on the Pro Wrestling Only DVD club disk? What's the date of that match? I'm about 4 matches in and i'm already in love with this set. I got to give it to Good Helmet with the quality and the order. If you haven't got this yet, your really missing out. 1 question though, I see there's a lot of Houston matches on here, Was Boesch's territory part of Watts's mid-south? I thought they were separate?

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 10:32 PM

Yes and no... Houston aired the Mid South TV and then aired Houston exclusive matches. Most of the time, Houston matches had at least 1 Mid South guys (with some exceptions like Flair-Wahoo and Dusty-Bock).

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 12:40 AM

Hey Loss is the Taylor/Flair match the same one that was on the Pro Wrestling Only DVD club disk? What's the date of that match?

I'm about 4 matches in and i'm already in love with this set. I got to give it to Good Helmet with the quality and the order. If you haven't got this yet, your really missing out.

1 question though, I see there's a lot of Houston matches on here, Was Boesch's territory part of Watts's mid-south? I thought they were separate?


It's a different Flair/Taylor match. The one on the DVD is 4/28/85, which I do have ranked. But the one I have at #1 is 6/1/85.

I would not have ranked it so highly before, but rewatching really made an impression.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 03:25 PM

Time to make some revisions. Thoughts will be added at some point tonight: 1. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) 2. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) 3. Ted DiBiase vs. Terry Taylor (7/3/85) 4. Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer (11/11/85) 5. Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) 6. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) 7. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) 8. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (9/22/85) 9. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) 10. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) 11. Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong (2/10/85) 12. Ted Dibiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) 13. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (6/30/85) 14. Ted Dibiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) 15. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (11/16/84) 16. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) 17. Dick Murdoch vs. The Nightmare (7/14/85) 18. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) 19. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) 20. Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts (7/22/85) 21. Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) 22. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (7/14/85) 23. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (Taped Fist) (10/11/85) 24. Rock N Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (6/28/85) 25. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (10/14/85) 26. Ted Dibiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85) 27. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) 28. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) 29. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) 30. Jake Roberts vs. Lord Humongous (Cage Match) (11/29/85) 31. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (11/8/85) 32. Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase (1/16/85) 33. Jake Roberts vs. Ric Flair (11/24/85) 34. The Fantastics vs. Dr. Death & Jake Roberts (4/14/85) 35. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (10/11/85) 36. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) 37. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) 38. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) 39. Ted Dibiase vs. Butch Reed (7/25/85) 40. Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) 41. The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84) 42. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) 43. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) 44. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (Scaffold Match) (12/2/84) 45. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) 46. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) 47. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) 48. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) 49. Magnum TA v. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) 50. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) 51. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) 52. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) 53. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (6/19/85) 54. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) 55. Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) 56. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) 57. Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) 58. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) 59. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) 60. The Fantastics vs. Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantell (9/22/85) 61. Butch Reed vs. Dick Slater (11/22/85) 62. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (1/21/85) 63. The Fantastics vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater (10/27/85) 64. Jim Duggan, Dick Murdoch & Bill Watts vs. Kamala, Kareem Muhammad & Skandor Akbar (7/28/85) 65. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Rock N Roll Express & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (1/18/85) 66. Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum TA & Master G (Street Fight) (11/4/84) 67. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (10/13/85) 68. Brickhouse Brown & Master Gee vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) 69. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) 70. Hacksaw Duggan & Dick Murdoch vs. Kamala & Kareem Muhammad (7/14/85) 71. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) 72. Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) 73. Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death (9/20/85) 74. Butch Reed v. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) 75. Al Perez & Wendell Cooley vs. Dr. Death & Bob Sweetan (8/30/85) 76. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (4/15/85) 77. Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor (Loser Leaves Town) (12/7/84) 78. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) 79. The Fantastics vs. Dutch Mantell & Bill Dundee (10/4/85) 80. Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala & One Man Gang (2/25/85) 81. Killer Khan v. Chris Adams (9/9/84) 82. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (1/18/85) 83. Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) 84. Rock N Roll Express vs. Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts (6/24/85) 85. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85) 86. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82)

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Posted 14 January 2008 - 02:48 AM

Here's my top 20 after the first disc: 1.Ted Dibiase/Matt borne vs JYD/Mr. Olympia loser leaves town 10/27/82 2.Mr. Olympia vs Chavo Guerrero 6/24/83 3.Mr.Wrestling 2/Magnum TA vs Butch Reed and Jim Neidhart 12/25/83 4.Mr. Olympia vs Bob Roop 7/15/82 5.Hacksaw Duggan vs Ted Dibiase Texas Streetfight 7/29/83 6.Stagger Lee/Bill Watts vs Midnight Express 4/22/84 7.Midnights vs RNR Express 5/23/84 8.Bob Roop vs Mike George 12/16/81 9.Mr. Olympia vs Paul Orndorff 2/3/82 10.JYD/Wrestling 2 vs Dibiase/Borne 2/16/83 11.JYD/Mr.Olympia vs Duggan/Dibiase 8/18/82 12.Stagger Lee/Mr.Olympia vs Dibiase/Borne Loser leaves town 12/18/82 13.Nick Bockwinkel vs JYD 6/11/82 14.Buddy landell/Butch Reed vs RNR Express 3/28/84 15.Buck Robley vs One Man Gang Lumberjack Match 9/15/82 16.Porkchop Cash and Bill Dundee vs Midnight Express 4/6/84 17.Bob roop vs Ted Dibiase 4/2/82 18.Iron Shiek vs Butch Reed 4/8/83 19.Magnum TA/Wrestling II vs Midnight Express 2/10/84 20.Dusty Rhodes vs Nick Bockwinkel 5/20/83 This might change after a watch it for a second time. This set is unbeileveable so far. Mr. Olympia is so awesome and so is Matt Borne.

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Posted 19 January 2008 - 10:57 PM

Here's my rankings following Disc 1, pending re-watching: 1. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) 2. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) 3. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) 4. Mr. Wrestling II and Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) 5. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrero (6/24/83) 6. Bob Roop vs Mike George (12/16/81) 7. Ted Dibiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) 8. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) 9. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted Dibiase (2/16/83) 10. Butch Reed and Buddy Landel vs Rock N' Roll Express (3/28/84) 11. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82) 12. Bob Roop vs Ted Dibiase (4/2/82) 13. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) 14. Midnight Express vs Porkchop Cash and Bill Dundee (4/6/84) 15. Butch Reed vs. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) 16. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) 17. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) 18. Nick Bockwinkel vs Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) 19. Buck Robley vs One Man Gang (Lumberjack match) (9/15/82) 20. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) I wouldn't be surprised if I moved the cage match back to the No. 2 spot.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 04:14 PM

So I have finished watching the entire set. Here is how I have everything ranked after a first viewing. Now, I plan on watching everything again from what I have ranked as #150 to #1 and then submitting a final ballot, so these rankings could easily change. As I do that, I want to try to do a full review on each match. But here's where they all are for now: 1. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) 2. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) 3. Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death (9/15/86) 4. Chris Adams vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/87) 5. Buzz Sawyer vs. Dr. Death (1/28/86) 6. Ted DiBiase vs. Terry Taylor (7/3/85) 7. Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer (11/11/85) 8. Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) 9. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) 10. Terry Gordy vs. Hacksaw Duggan (8/3/86) 11. Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death (6/22/86) 12. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) 13. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (9/22/85) 14. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) 15. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) 16. Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong (2/10/85) 17. Ted Dibiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) 18. One Man Gang vs. Big Bubba Rogers (4/19/87) 19. Chris Adams vs. Terry Taylor (4/19/87) 20. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (6/30/85) 21. Ted Dibiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) 22. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (11/16/84) 23. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) 24. Dick Murdoch vs. The Nightmare (7/14/85) 25. Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death (9/28/86) 26. Buzz Sawyer vs. Jim Duggan (Dog Collar Match) (12/27/85) 27. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) 28. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) 29. Chavo Guerrero vs. Steve Keirn (no DQ loser is painted yellow match) (1/31/86) 30. Dick Murdoch vs. Barry Windham (7/11/87) 31. Terry Gordy vs. Terry Taylor (6/13/86) 32. Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts (7/22/85) 33. Buzz Sawyer vs. Butch Reed (Dog Collar Match) (12/31/85) 34. Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) 35. Ted Dibiase, Dr. Death & Jim Duggan vs. Masked Superstar, Dick Murdoch & Buzz Sawyer (1/31/86) 36. Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death (12/28/86) 37. Eddie Gilbert & Dick Murdoch vs. Lightning Express (7/21/87) 38. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (7/14/85) 39. Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death (6/13/87) 40. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (Taped Fist) (10/11/85) 41. Terry Gordy vs. Terry Taylor (6/17/86) 42. Chris Adams & Terry Taylor vs. Eddie Gilbert & Iceman Parsons (3/20/87) 43. Rock N Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (6/28/85) 44. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (10/14/85) 45. Terry Taylor vs. Jake Roberts (2/11/86) 46. Terry Gordy vs. Dr. Death (12/26/86) 47. Gustavo Mendoza vs. Brett Wayne Sawyer (5/9/86) 48. Ted Dibiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85) 49. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) 50. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) 51. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) 52. Jake Roberts vs. Lord Humongous (Cage Match) (11/29/85) 53. Dick Murdoch & Masked Superstar vs. Brett Sawyer & Al Perez (1/19/86) 54. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (5/3/85) 55. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (11/8/85) 56. Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase (1/16/85) 57. Jake Roberts vs. Ric Flair (11/24/85) 58. Ted DiBiase & Terry Taylor vs. Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts (Country Whipping Match) (10/12/86) 59. The Fantastics vs. Dr. Death & Jake Roberts (4/14/85) 60. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (10/11/85) 61. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) 62. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) 63. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) 64. Ted Dibiase & Dr. Death vs. Dick Murdoch & Masked Superstar (2/14/86) 65. Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts (No DQ, Dark Journey In A Cage) (2/28/86) 66. Ted Dibiase vs. Butch Reed (7/25/85) 67. Terry Gordy vs. One Man Gang (9/21/86) 68. Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) 69. The Fabulous Ones vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (Mexican Death Match) (1/24/86) 70. The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84) 71. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) 72. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) 73. The Fantastics vs. Sting & Eddie Gilbert (9/7/86) 74. Eddie Gilbert & The Nightmare vs. The Bruise Brothers (12/31/85) 75. The Fantastics & Dr. Death vs. The Fabulous Freebirds (1/18/87) 76. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (Scaffold Match) (12/2/84) 77. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) 78. The Fabulous Ones vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (12/29/85) 79. Hacksaw Duggan, Terry Taylor & Bill Watts vs. The Fabulous Freebirds (8/17/86) 80. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) 81. The Fantastics & Missing Link vs. Eddie Gilbert, John Tatum & Sting (8/3/86) 82. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) 83. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) 84. Magnum TA v. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) 85. Ted Dibiase & Dr. Death vs. Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts (Lumberjack Match) (8/31/86) 86. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) 87. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) 88. Eddie Gilbert & Dick Murdoch vs. Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts (6/25/87) 89. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) 90. Terry Taylor vs. John Tatum (8/17/86) 91. Ted Dibiase vs. One Man Gang (No DQ) (2/6/87) 92. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (6/19/85) 93. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) 94. Ted Dibiase vs. One Man Gang (11/18/86) 95. Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) 96. Dick Slater vs. Butch Reed (1/1/86) 97. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) 98. Hacksaw Duggan, Terry Taylor & Bill Watts vs. The Fabulous Freebirds (7/20/86) 99. Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) 100. Koko B. Ware vs. Eddie Gilbert (2/28/86) 101. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) 102. Magnum TA vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) 103. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Terry Gordy & Michael Hayes (Badstreet Match) (1/25/87) 104. The Fantastics vs. Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantell (9/22/85) 105. Butch Reed vs. Dick Slater (11/22/85) 106. Michael Hayes & Buddy Roberts vs. Ted Dibiase & Terry Taylor (5/25/86) 107. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (1/21/85) 108. Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts (1/1/86) 109. The Fantastics vs. John Tatum & Jack Victory (11/4/86) 110. The Fantastics vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater (10/27/85) 111. Jim Duggan, Dick Murdoch & Bill Watts vs. Kamala, Kareem Muhammad & Skandor Akbar (7/28/85) 112. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Rock N Roll Express & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (1/18/85) 113. Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum TA & Master G (Street Fight) (11/4/84) 114. Ted DiBiase vs. Dick Murdoch (No DQ) (12/31/85) 115. Ted Dibiase vs. Dick Murdoch (12/27/85) 116. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (10/13/85) 117. The Fabulous Ones vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (12/27/85) 118. Terry Taylor vs. Buddy Roberts (6/8/86) 119. Brickhouse Brown & Master Gee vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) 120. Eddie Gilbert vs. Dr. Death (5/17/87) 121. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) 122. Dick Slater vs. Hacksaw Duggan (12/31/85) 123. Chavo Guerrero vs. Buzz Sawyer (6/13/86) 124. Hacksaw Duggan & Dick Murdoch vs. Kamala & Kareem Muhammad (7/14/85) 125. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) 126. Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. The Fabulous Ones (Texas Tornado Cage Match) (2/28/86) 127. Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) 128. Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts (2/14/86) 129. Dick Slater vs. Hacksaw Duggan (4/11/86) 130. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Terry Gordy & Michael Hayes (Badstreet Match) (1/9/87) 131. Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death (9/20/85) 132. Butch Reed v. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) 133. Al Perez & Wendell Cooley vs. Dr. Death & Bob Sweetan (8/30/85) 134. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (4/15/85) 135. Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor (Loser Leaves Town) (12/7/84) 136. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) 137. Dick Slater vs. Jake Roberts (1/24/86) 138. The Fantastics vs. Dutch Mantell & Bill Dundee (10/4/85) 139. Ted DiBiase, Dr. Death, Terry Taylor & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Dick Murdoch, Buzz Sawyer & The Masked Superstars (2/28/86) 140. Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala & One Man Gang (2/25/85) 141. Dick Slater vs. Butch Reed (No DQ) (12/13/85) 142. The Fantastics & Terry Taylor vs. The Sheepherders & Jack Victory (5/9/86) 143. The Fantastics & Terry Taylor vs. The Sheepherders & Jack Victory (Barbed Wire Cage Match) (5/25/86) 144. Killer Khan v. Chris Adams (9/9/84) 145. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (1/18/85) 146. Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) 147. Dick Slater vs. Dr. Death (12/18/85) 148. Rock N Roll Express vs. Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts (6/24/85) 149. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85) 150. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82)

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 06:54 PM

150. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82)

So there was nothing particularly wrong with this match, but at around 6 minutes, it just wasn't going to hang with the bigger matches on this set. I feel confident after rewatching this that it's where it should be in the bottom spot. That's not to criticize it, as I think they made pretty good use of the time they had, but it's not really anything special.

There are still a few things worth noting. It's interesting to see how DiBiase works with JYD. It was mentioned recently that years ago on WOL, Ted said that he knew he couldn't have great matches with JYD, so he tried to have great matches around him. And you can see him creating lots of fast movement off of Irish whips and doing lots of brick wall spots off of JYD's punches that worked pretty well.

As with most Mid South matches that are No DQ, it typically doesn't mean the match is going to be worked any differently. When Borne was about to jump off the top rope, illegal in Mid South, they still made effort to position the ref where he wouldn't see the spot. When Duggan ran in for the finish and hit Olympia with his helmet, the ref was positioned out of place for that as well.

It's also worth noting that if you go just by studio crowd reaction, even heyday Junkyard Dog can't really compare to the Rock & Roll Express as a top babyface act. When watching the earlier matches, I really thought that people were being too hard on the wrestlers for the dead crowds because it wasn't arena wrestling and you can't really hold it to the same standard. You still can't, of course, but when the Rock & Rolls came in a little over a year later, they showed that it's still possible to have a really heated tag match in a really small building.

The peak of this feud was the Loser Leaves Town match on 10/27/82 with the gorilla finish, in terms of delivering a strong match, booking a great finish and heating up the studio. This one you can pass and not miss much, unless you're a completist.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 07:15 PM

149. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85)

This is a match I suspect most other people will have ranked higher than I do, because in many ways, it's a pretty good "sampling" of Mid South -- four of Watts' favorites duking it out in a Texas Tornado match with blood and chaos and excitement. It's definitely not a bad match. But it's not really a good match either. It's just a bunch of brawling that doesn't really flow, or have any type of build to it from an opening to a finish. A bunch of guys kick, punch and clothesline each other for 12 minutes with no shifts in momentum or anything of consequence happening before someone gets randomly pinned. It's why I'm not a huge fan of Texas Tornado matches, especially Texas Tornado matches where the camerawork isn't all that great and seems to miss a lot of stuff.

I still feel like this is where it should be. It's better than the #150 match, but rewatching it didn't really have too much effect on my opinion.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 07:57 PM

Here's my list after watching the first 2 discs: 1.Ted Dibiase/Matt borne vs JYD/Mr. Olympia loser leaves town 10/27/82 2.Mr. Olympia vs Chavo Guerrero 6/24/83 3.Mr.Wrestling 2/Magnum TA vs Butch Reed and Jim Neidhart 12/25/83 4.Mr. Olympia vs Bob Roop 7/15/82 5.Hacksaw Duggan vs Ted Dibiase Texas Streetfight 7/29/83 6.Stagger Lee/Bill Watts vs Midnight Express 4/22/84 7.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd Tulsa 7/2/84 8.Midnights vs RNR Express 5/23/84 9.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ Tulsa 5/27/84 10.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd 6/8/84 11.Duggan/Rhodes vs Hernandez/Reed 8/19/84 12.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ OKC 5/27/84 13.Los GUerreros vs Fantastics 10/12/84 14.Bob Roop vs Mike George 12/16/81 15.Mr. Olympia vs Paul Orndorff 2/3/82 16.JYD/Wrestling 2 vs Dibiase/Borne 2/16/83 17.Duggan/Fantastics vs Midnights/Cornette 7/20/84 18.JYD/Mr.Olympia vs Duggan/Dibiase 8/18/82 19.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase Houston 7/6/84 20.Stagger Lee/Mr.Olympia vs Dibiase/Borne Loser leaves town 12/18/82 21.Brickhouse/Master Gee vs Ladd/Reed 10/21/84 22.Killer Khan vs Chris Adams 9/9/84 23.Nick Bockwinkel vs JYD 6/11/82 24.Buddy landell/Butch Reed vs RNR Express 3/28/84 25.Buck Robley vs One Man Gang Lumberjack Match 9/15/82 26.Porkchop Cash and Bill Dundee vs Midnight Express 4/6/84 27.Fantastics vs Midnight Express No DQ 9/28/84 28.Adrian Street vs Chris Adams 10/10/84 29.Butch Reed vs Skip Young 3/23/84 30.Fantastics vs Midnight Express 8/9/84 31.Bob roop vs Ted Dibiase 4/2/82 32.Iron Shiek vs Butch Reed 4/8/83 33.Magnum TA/Wrestling II vs Midnight Express 2/10/84 34.Dusty Rhodes vs Nick Bockwinkel 5/20/83

#38 Phil Schneider

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 09:26 PM

Hey Loss, make sure you crosspost your reviews, you are the first guy to watch some of these, you can set the debate.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 05:17 AM

After Disc One & two matches from Disc Two, here is where I have everything ranked as of now. This will probably look a bit different after rewatching certain matches, but anyway here we go: Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16] Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) [PTB-15] Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrero (6/24/83) [PTB-13] Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2] Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14] Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8] Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) [PTB-19] Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-1] Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) [PTB-10] 8. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) [PTB-18] Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) [PTB-5] Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) [PTB-20] Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) [PTB-17] Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) [PTB-1] Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) [PTB-6] One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) [PTB-7] Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) [PTB-3] Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) [PTB-2] ]Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) [PTB-4] Butch Reed vs. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) [PTB-11] Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) [PTB-12] Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82) [PTB-9] Also, I've gotta ask Tim Evans, what was it about Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express that made you rank it second from last? I thought it was a tremendous match with great face/heel roles, molten heat and just great work all around. The only thing I can see detracting from it in people's minds was the DQ finish, but even then I felt it was fine in the context of the match and also led to a hot post-match. Just curious to hear how you saw it. I think that's one of the great things about this set; the match list is so deep that what is number one on one person's list can be second from last on another's. Kudos to everyone involved

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 01:59 PM

First time Viewing I wasn't that impressed with it. Especially on the midnight Express part. It will probably improve once I watch it again.




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