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#41 floyd

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 10:18 PM

I know I'll get flak from my low ranking of the cage match, but here' s my list after watching Disk #1:

My thought on Disk #1 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) - Whoever loses the fall must leave town. This was supposed to be Hacksaw defending the belts but he couldn't make it so Portland Matt Bourne took his place. DiBiase/Bourne make a good heel tag team. Really fun tag match with an ending so awesome if made it my #1 for the set.

2. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) - Super Awesome. Don't know how the feud started but apparently these guys really didn't like each other.

3. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) - Somehow Mr. Olympia had turned heel and apparently screwed over Chavo as this is the grudge match. Great match with Mr. Olympia being a bastard heel and Chavo doing good moves to a hot crowd.


Very good too:

4. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) - If anyone wanted to know what the Midnight Expresses was all about, this might be the match to show them. Nothing mid blowing but sheer brilliance in working the crowd. How Jim Cornette was never beaten to death in a fan riot I'll never know.

5. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) - Sweet match here. Almost like the stereotypical heel Vs. the stereotypical babyface. Both guys stock goes up for me in this match, especially Mr. Olympia who does a running dive to the outside on the concrete. Good stuff, but again since it's TV too short to really place high for me.

6. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) - The revenge match with Mr. Wrestling II taking the gone Mr. Olympia's place. Good tag match.

Good:

7. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) - Fun tag match. I like the DiBiase/Duggan team and Mr. Olympia continues to be great, reminding me of classic babyfaces like Tito Santana.

8. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) - Never seen Buck Robley before but he looks like a mix of Necro butcher and 70's George Carlin. I'm also guessing Robley didn't have to have testosteroe theory in his later years like everyone else. OMG is a pimp sized bump-master here! For a guy who weighs 8,000 pounds, man he was thowing his body all around the ring and to the outside. Also the entire match the commentators keep saying how much they like Robley and how sad it is that there's no way he can win. They basically start making funeral preperations for him. Which makes his comeback so much better at the end. Just a fantastic small guy/big fat guy story. Lumberjack Dick Murdoch was standing with his back to the camera with a "All japan" T-shirt on which was pretty neat.

9. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) - You wanna talk about fucking crowd heat? Jesus Christ the crowd shaking the entire building during this match. After getting tarred and feathered by the Midnights, Bill Watts brings in a ringer. The dangerous shooter, the masked Stagger Lee. In the unlikely event of his team losing, Jim Cornette has to wear a diaper after the match.

10. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) - pretty cool opening match on the set between two guys i've never seen before. Mike George played a good heel and Bob Roop was awesome with his heel-ishness.

11. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) - I've seen this match highly praised by everyone over at DVDVR but I can't understand why, and not just best on Disk #1 but a top pick for the entire set. It's a really good match but I dunno, nothing amazing to me. Both Magnum and Mr. Wrestling II have to make big comebacks in an attempt to win the tag titles. Reed looked good here.

Good to OK

12. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) - Never seen Mr. Olympia before. He's the Mississippi Champ here. Mr. Wonderful looks alot more mobile and quick here than in the WWF. Good match, wished it had been longer.

13. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) - ha I liked the team of Porkchop Cash and Dundee. Formulaic Midnight Express match, which means it's good.

14. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82) - Sadly Mr. Olympia's partner couldn't be here, so he got a great replacement in the masked Stagger Lee.

15. Butch Reed v. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) - It's almost weird seeing how unbroken and mobile Sheik was here, doing neck bridges and taking bumps around the ring. There's one memorable part where the ring crew really should've tightened the ropes/turnbuckle more. Plus Shiek was a master at evil heel cliches.

16. Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) - Cool Roop again with his old school heel work. Roop defends his N.A. title. The plus here was some really great mat work you don't see anymore.

OK but ain't no Top 20 or nothin:

17. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) - Dream match between the soon to be long-time rivals. R N R Expess put up the belts against Jim Cornette's momma's $50,000. Good match but nothing fantastic.

18. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) - Bockwinkle defends the AWA World title here. Pretty OK match, nothing special.

19. Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) - I'm guessing the R n R Express was new here, as it seemed to be a spotlight for their team. Jim Cornette is at ringside taking notes.

No Sir. I Didn't like it:

20. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) - Gah! Didnt like this one at all. And this from a JYD fan growing up, plus Bockwinkle/Heenan are one of the greatest twosome ever. If Bockwinkle wins he get's JYD's crown. If the JYD wins this one he gets bump master Heenan in the ring after the match. Too slow here.

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Thought fo' Disk #1:

- Bob Roop was pretty good. A classic heel but who also had a nice technical background.

- Mr. Olympia was awesome, either as a good guy or heel. How come I never of him?

- Hacksaw Duggan's spear is to be feared.

- The tag team matches in Mid-South are great.

- One should not worship false idols. But as far as wrestling goes, Cornette IS a demi-God.

- How the FUCK aren't the Midnight Express in the Hall-of-Fame!?!??

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 10:

1. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82)
2. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83)
3. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83)
4. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84)
5. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82)
6. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83)
7. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82)
8. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82)
9. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84)
10. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81)

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Feel free to flame any of picks as long as you discuss why first. ;-)

Now on to Disk #2!

#42 Big Rob

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 11:04 AM

After the firt few minutes, I didn't think I'd like the cage match either, but after Magnum's first shot into the cage everything seemed to click for me. It was hurt by the camera angle though, it wasn't the best positioning for it. I'll probably get hate for not liking Chavo vs. Olympia very much, i just found it kinda boring and bland, though the corwd being really into it made the whole thing reasonably fun. Roop vs. George is fun stuff, and I'm in love with the full nelson spot they did that lead to a rollup. If I wrestled, I'd blatently steal that one. Kinda sloppy in general, I guess, but that just made it more "realistic" in my eyes.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:23 PM

After 4 discs, Here's my list: 1.Ted Dibiase vs. Jim Duggan (No Dq, cage match in tuxedos, loser leaves town, coal miners glove on a poll) (3/22/85) 2.Ted Dibiase/Matt borne vs JYD/Mr. Olympia loser leaves town 10/27/82 3.Mr. Olympia vs Chavo Guerrero 6/24/83 4.Mr.Wrestling 2/Magnum TA vs Butch Reed and Jim Neidhart 12/25/83 5.Mr. Olympia vs Bob Roop 7/15/82 6.Hacksaw Duggan vs Ted Dibiase Texas Streetfight 7/29/83 7.Stagger Lee/Bill Watts vs Midnight Express 4/22/84 8.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd Tulsa 7/2/84 9.Midnights vs RNR Express 5/23/84 10.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ Tulsa 5/27/84 11.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd 6/8/84 12.Ted Dibiase vs Hacksaw Duggan 3/8/85 13.Duggan/Rhodes vs Hernandez/Reed 8/19/84 14.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ OKC 5/27/84 15.Los Guerreros vs RNR Express 2/13/85 16.Los GUerreros vs Fantastics 10/12/84 17.Los Guerreros/Buddy Landell vs Lothario/Dundee/Brown Elimination match 11/16/84 18.RNR Express vs Midnights 1/21/85 19.Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death Steve Williams (5/3/85) 20.Rock n Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) 21.RNR Express/Reed vs Gang/Death/Kamala 2/25/85 22.Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) 23.Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) 24.Bob Roop vs Mike George 12/16/81 25.Mr. Olympia vs Paul Orndorff 2/3/82 26.Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) 27.JYD/Wrestling 2 vs Dibiase/Borne 2/16/83 28.Duggan/Fantastics vs Midnights/Cornette 7/20/84 29.JYD/Mr.Olympia vs Duggan/Dibiase 8/18/82 30.RNR Express/Lothario vs Landell/Guerreros 1/18/85 31.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase Houston 7/6/84 32.The Fantastics vs. Steve Williams & Jake The Snake Roberts (4/14/85) 33.Dibiase/Williams vs Gordy/Duggan Texas Tornado 1/21/85 34.Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) 35.Ted Dibiase & Dr. Death vs. Rock N Roll Express (6/19/85) 36.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) 37.Magnum TA/Gee vs Ladd/Reed 11/4/84 38.Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts vs. Rock N Roll Express (6/24/85) 39.Dirty White Boys vs. Rock N Roll Express (4/15/85) 40.Rock n Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & Barbarian (6/28/85) 41.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) 42.Stagger Lee/Mr.Olympia vs Dibiase/Borne Loser leaves town 12/18/82 43.Brickhouse/Master Gee vs Ladd/Reed 10/21/84 44.Ted Dibiase vs Brad Armstrong 2/10/85 45.Killer Khan vs Chris Adams 9/9/84 46.Brad Armstong vs Ted Dibiase 1/16/85 47.Nick Bockwinkel vs JYD 6/11/82 48.Buddy landell/Butch Reed vs RNR Express 3/28/84 49.Buck Robley vs One Man Gang Lumberjack Match 9/15/82 50.Porkchop Cash and Bill Dundee vs Midnight Express 4/6/84 51.Fantastics vs Midnight Express No DQ 9/28/84 52.Kevin Von Erich vs Chris Adams 1/18/85 53.Adrian Street vs Chris Adams 10/10/84 54.Butch Reed vs Skip Young 3/23/84 55.Fantastics vs Midnight Express 8/9/84 56.Bob roop vs Ted Dibiase 4/2/82 57.Iron Shiek vs Butch Reed 4/8/83 58.Magnum TA/Wrestling II vs Midnight Express 2/10/84 59.Dusty Rhodes vs Nick Bockwinkel 5/20/83 60.Midnight Express vs RNR Express Scaffold match 12/2/84 61.Terry Taylor vs Adrian street 12/7/84 Disc 4 was real tough to watch. Especially for the Flair/Taylor matches. I don't know why but Taylor does nothing for me.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 08:53 PM

Roop/George showed an interesting difference in match layout and how it's changed in the past 25 years. It used to be about various holds building up to a move. Now it seems to be more about various moves building up to a hold. Not really a plus or minus, just a change. Of course, guys like Flair who used moves to build up to the figure four were the exception, but most matches seemed to be worked the opposite way. I'm a fan who likes inside cradles, victory rolls, reverse roll-ups, and other types of flash pin attempts. Now, offense is for the most part all based on high impact moves, which just makes matches often seem a little more one-dimensional.

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 11:21 PM

My thought on Disk #2 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3] - Really surprised this was my favorite match of the set but it was really fun. Ladd just towered over everybody and the Midnights and Cornette brought their shenanigans to the party. Ricky Morton plays Ricky Morton here. A molten crowd always helps too.

2. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2] - Hard to pick this or their same day match, but I liked this one a bit better. It seemed a bit more heated and Magnum's come-back a bit more dramatic. Both guys brawled all over the place over Magnum's N.American title with DiBiase using the No-DQ rule to cheat it up. I heard the Motorcity machine guns got heat for refusing to blade while Magnum bladed twice in one day. The times.... they are a changin''

3. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-1] - Same greatness. Different city. .


Very good too:

4.The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) [SDM-13] - Great little tag match showing what a fun heel team the Guerreros were.

5. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) [SDM-5] - I actually had this higher than the two No-DQ matches initially, but after rewatching all three again (and yet again), I rated this 3rd. Still a very good match with magnum yet again having to make a dramatic come-back to retain the belt.

6. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) [SDM-4] - Not as great as the first encounter, but still really fun.


Good:

7. The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84) [SDM-6] - While not their best match-up, the great thing about this match is comedy involved with Cornette. Red hot crowd.

8. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) [SDM-11] - Started out as an amazing anything goes No-Dq brawl but slowed up as it turned into a tag team match. Still really good. Hey where's Cornette? All I see is some masked dude outside the ring. ;-)

9. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) [SDM-7]) - Typical Midnight Express formula which as DDT says is not a bad thing but a good thing..


Good to OK

10. Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams (9/9/84) [SDM-9]) - Killer Khan gets alot of hate but I really enjoyed this short but fun match. Khan seems flabbergasted by Adams getting the better of him early on but soon him and his manager take over.

11. Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) [SDM-8] - More proof just how awesome Reed was. Another red hot crowd making an average match so much better.

OK but ain't no Top 20 or nothin:

12. Brickhouse Brown & Master G vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) [SDM-14] - Another really fun tag match but too slow in some parts.

13. Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) [SDM-10] - Both guys played their parts well but I dunno. Nothing stood out as memorable.

14. Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) [SDM-12] - Expected a better technical match then this. Short TV match. Adrian Street. Woman beater!!


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Thought fo' Disk #2:

- Was harder for me to get through, and needed lots of re-watches. I guess cause of the repeats of match-ups and the fact that while nothing jumped out as super-mega-awesome, nothing was bad either. Good stuff all 'round on this disk.

- First time I saw Ernie Ladd. He had to be pretty broken down from his football and wrestling career at this stage, but was alot more spry then what I would've figured. For some reason he reminded me of a black Giant Baba. Baba should've turned heel and teamed with Ladd in the 70's....

- Butch Reed is an awesome heel.

- The Fantastics stock went up a bit for me.

- I saw some future Eddie Guerrero heel stuff while watching his brothers perform.

- The Bonus stuff is really fun for it's history and is a very welcome addition.

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 10: (After two Disks)

1. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8]
2. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14]
3. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) [PTB-13]
4. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3]
5. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16]
6. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-1]
7. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-2]
8. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) [SDM-13]
9. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) [PTB-5]
10. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) [PTB-10]

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Your thought on Disk#2? Or any of the Mid South matches?

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 09:07 PM

My thought on Disk #3 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14] - Wow. A short but an awesome, brutal and bloody cage match to cap off their feud. it's bad enough to get your ass kicked but now they have to do it in their best clothes. This easily would've still been #1 for me even without all the history that DVDVR provided. But the inclusion of it made it that much better a finish to their feud.

2. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13] - Great No-DQ match before the cage one. It was a regular match to begin with but was changed right before the bell. Gonna have to re-watch their streetfight from Disk #1 and compare, as both are great. Hacksaw Duggan is in 3 and-a-half matches of my Top 5, who would've thunk it?

3. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) [BR-17] - After all those 10 minutes lightening fast tag matches and energetic brawls, Flair brings it to a halt with this 30 minute match. I really liked it though with a slow NWA-title-defense-like beginning building up to an exciting ending. Can Taylor bring home the gold? Solid match.


Very good too:

4.Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) [BR-11] - Great TV tag match with the Guerreros using all kinds of funky moves to try and win the belts.

5. The Fantastics vs. Dr. Death & Jake Roberts (4/14/85) [BR-15] - I really liked this tag team match-up. Roberts and Dr. Death make a great heel tag team. The fantastics have the heart but are overpowered.

6. Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong (2/10/85) [BR-10] - Really good match where Armstrong's trying to regain his title. Armstrong's really good here, but it's DiBiase who really shines.


Good:

7. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (11/16/84) [BR-2] - Neat elimination match with the Guerrero gang going after poor old Lothario.

8. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85) [BR-9] - Tornado tag match which means a No-DQ brawl without tags. Action went everywhere, in-and-out of the ring.


Good to OK

9. Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum T.A. & Master G (Street Fight) (11/4/84) [BR-1] - Match turned from a Street Fight into a regular tag, good match.

10. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (1/21/85) [BR-8] - Typical and fun RNR/Midnights match.


OK but ain't no Top 20 or nothin:

11. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (1/18/85) [BR-6] - World Class comes to Mid-South. I really liked this match but it was super-short (under 5 minutes). Just can't rate it too high because of that.

12. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Rock N Roll Express & Jose Lothario (1/18/85) [BR-7] [SDM-14] - This was listed as an elimination match but was actually a 6-man. Pretty fun match but nothing that made me want to rank it high.

13. Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase (1/16/85) [BR-5] - Armstrong's defending the title. Good TV match. But I liked their rematch much more.

14. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (Scaffold Match) (12/2/84) [BR-3] - As far as scaffold matches it wasn't too bad, but I never really could rate those high for some reason. Think they play alot better live (and scarier!)

15. Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala & One Man Gang (2/25/85) [BR-12] - Somewhere along the way Reed turned good-guy! OK 6-man but nothing special. Reed's demands and chants for the Emancipation of Kamala was priceless.

16. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (4/15/85) [BR-16] - OK tag match but seemed too formulaic to me. The Dirty White Boys looked like good heels though. Maybe if it was longer..

No Sir. I Didn't like it:

17. Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor (Loser Leaves Town) (12/7/84) [BR-4] - Meh never really got into this. Street wants revenge after Tayor started macking on his valet. "You don't mow another man' grass."


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Thought fo' Disk #3:

- The Guerreros are an awesome tag team.

- I really noticed how fantastic the camera/audio work is for aot of the house shows. You can hear every word of Dibiase and Jake Robert talking trash. And the video quality is great too.

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 10: (After three Disks)

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14]
2. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8]
3. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14]
4. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) [PTB-13]
5. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13]
6. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3][/b]
7. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16]
8. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) [BR-17]
9. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2]
10. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-1]

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Your thought on Disks #3? Or any of the Mid South matches? Onto #4 and all the Flair that comes with it. Whoooo!

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 05:09 PM

My thought on Disk #4 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) [RNRIK-3] - Awesome match that goes 40 minutes with Flair defending the NWA World title. I think I prefer this to their 3rd match a bit cause it seems for tighter and I'm thinking the commentary helped. But apples and oranges, both are awesome.

2. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) [RNRIK-7] - Just as good as their 2nd match on the set, went a little longer too.

3. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) [RNRIK-1] - The consensus seems their 2nd match was better but I dunno, I dug this one a bit more. As everything else, it could change during the re-watches I plan on doing, but this seemed more exciting during the final stretch. Incredibly Flair worked with a great 30 min. match Terry Taylor on the same day which seems like a violation of some physical law or something.

Very good too:

4. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) [RNRIK-4] - Another good NWA World title defense. Why did Flair have to tour Mid-South? Cause he's ruining my list's variation at the top by consistently putting on great matches..

5. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) [RNRIK-6] - This was awesome, it was like a high school's version of Wrestlemania 3, I never knew a gym could get so loud. I never even heard of the Dirty White Boys before this set but they were really good so they had to have learned it somewhere. Memphis?

Good:

6. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) [RNRIK-5] - Another super hot crowd. Both teams work well against each other.

7. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (6/19/85) [RNRIK-8] - Another good tag tam match. I'm liking the Dr. Death and DiBiase tag team.

Good to OK

8. Rock N Roll Express vs. Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts (6/24/85) [RNRIK-9] - Whoa. Was that a Ganso bomb!!??

OK but ain't no Top 20 or nothin:

9. Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death (5/3/85) [RNRIK-2] - OK TV match.

10. Rock N Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (6/28/85) [RNRIK-10] - Some Ok stuff, especially by Jake Roberts, but still kinda run of the mill.


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Thought for Disk #4:

- All these great tag make me misty-eyed when thinking about today's tag team scene, particularly the WWE. Just simple things like the Dirty White Boys cheating or Jake Roberts getting caught in the ropes and the Rock N' Roll Express makes a monkey out of him. Now a days instead of having two tag teams working together as a machine with a plan, it seems like 4 singles wrestlers in there.

- Thanks to Flair's tour of Mid-South he's knocking all these great matches out of my Top 20. Gee, Thanks Flair. :-(

- I also got to say how good the referring has been, especially whoever that one guy who ref'ed most of the matches here. It's the little things you don't notice cause the ref's in the background, but they've done a great job in Mid-South with their timing of looking away at the wrong time or the way they act when they think there's been a cheating afoot.

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 10: (re-watched, re-vamped and re-ordered after 4 Disks)

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14]
2. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8]
3. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14]
4. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) [RNRIK-3]
5. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) [PTB-13]
6. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) [RNRIK-7]
7. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16]
8. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3]
9. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13]
10. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) [RNRIK-1]

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The Mid-South Marathon continues... It's like crack but the come-down isn't that bad.

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Posted 16 March 2008 - 09:31 PM

My thought on Disk #5 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) [TSGDIA-10] - A true classic as Reed gets a chance at the NWA World title.

Very good too:

2. Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) [TSGDIA-3] - Great NWA title defense against one tough old dude from Flair's past.

3. Ted DiBiase vs. Terry Taylor (7/3/85) [TSGDIA-2] - DiBiase gets Taylor mad.

4. Dick Murdoch vs. The Nightmare (7/14/85) [TSGDIA-5] - Really fun match due to Murdoch antics.

Good:

5. The Fantastics vs. Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantell (9/22/85) [TSGDIA-13]

6. Ted DiBiase vs. Butch Reed (7/25/85) [TSGDIA-8] - Reed's the 1st person on the set smart enough to work on DiBiase's loaded-glove hand.

Good to OK

7. Al Perez & Wendell Cooley vs. Dr. Death & Bob Sweetan (8/30/85) [TSGDIA-11] - Jabronies Perez & Cooley try to win the tag titles.

9. Ted DiBiase vs. Jake Roberts (7/22/85) [TSGDIA-7] - Whole match involved DiBiase trying to escape the dreaded DDT.

8. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (6/30/85) [TSGDIA-1] - Another good tag match between these two.

OK but ain't no Top 20 or nothin:

10. Hacksaw Duggan & Dick Murdoch vs. Kamala & Kareem Muhammad (7/14/85) [TSGDIA-6] - OK tag match, but Murdoch and Hacksaw rule as a tag team.

11. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Jake Roberts & The Barbarian (7/14/85) [TSGDIA-4] - OK tag match.

12. Jim Duggan, Dick Murdoch & Bill Watts vs. Kamala, Kareem Muhammad & Skandor Akbar (7/28/85) [TSGDIA-9] - Akbar tries to get out of, but he can't escape Watts wrath.

13. Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death (9/20/85) [TSGDIA-12] - OK match, but last 3rd on my list.

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Thought for Disk #5:

- I wrote how impressed I was at the referring in Disk #4. Now it's the opposite. Tommy Gilbert is pissing me off with his referring, especially in the Flair/Reed match. He's constantly 3 inches away from the action and is pulling the wrestlers apart in milli-seconds. Plus he's always out of position and I'm amazed hasn't been suplexed or wiped out by a running wrestler 3 or 4 times a match.What I'm saying is instead of being in the background he's making himself a big part of the matches instead of the opposing wrestlers.

- Dick Murdoch's awesome. His selling is unique whether it's doing comedy on a bump or selling a punch to the jaw.

- I'm surprised Reed didn't go farther in the WWF. He seems like the perfect fit for them, big and strong, but can super charismatic.

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 20: (re-watched, re-vamped and re-ordered after 5 Disks)

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14]
2. Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) [TSGDIA-10]
3. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8]
4. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14]
5. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) [RNRIK-3]
6. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) [PTB-13]
7. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) [RNRIK-7][/b]
8. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16]
9. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3]
10. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13]

11. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) [RNRIK-1]
12. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) [BR-17]
13. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) [BR-11]
14. Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) [TSGDIA-3]
15. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) [RNRIK-6]
16. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) [RNRIK-4]
17. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2]
18. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) [SDM-13]
19. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-1]
20. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) [RNRIK-5]

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The Mid-South Marathon continues... It's like crack but the come-down isn't that bad.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 06:08 PM

I'm just about done with Disc 6, Here's my list so far. 1.Ted Dibiase vs. Jim Duggan (No Dq, cage match in tuxedos, loser leaves town, coal miners glove on a poll) (3/22/85) 2.Ted Dibiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85) 3.Ted Dibiase/Matt borne vs JYD/Mr. Olympia loser leaves town 10/27/82 4.Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer (11/11/85) 5.Mr. Olympia vs Chavo Guerrero 6/24/83 6.Mr.Wrestling 2/Magnum TA vs Butch Reed and Jim Neidhart 12/25/83 7.Mr. Olympia vs Bob Roop 7/15/82 8.Hacksaw Duggan vs Ted Dibiase Texas Streetfight 7/29/83 9.Stagger Lee/Bill Watts vs Midnight Express 4/22/84 10.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd Tulsa 7/2/84 11.Dick Murdoch vs. Butch Reed (9/22/85) 12.Midnights vs RNR Express 5/23/84 13.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ Tulsa 5/27/84 14.RNR/Duggan vs Midnights/Ladd 6/8/84 15.Ted Dibiase vs Hacksaw Duggan 3/8/85 16.Duggan/Rhodes vs Hernandez/Reed 8/19/84 17.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase No DQ OKC 5/27/84 18.Los Guerreros vs RNR Express 2/13/85 19.Los GUerreros vs Fantastics 10/12/84 20.Dick Murdoch vs. Dr. Death Steve Williams (9/20/85) 21.Los Guerreros/Buddy Landell vs Lothario/Dundee/Brown Elimination match 11/16/84 22.Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) 23.The Fantastics vs. Bill Dundee & Dutch Mantell (9/22/85) 24.RNR Express vs Midnights 1/21/85 25.Rock N Roll Express vs. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death Steve Williams (5/3/85) 26.Rock n Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (5/11/85) 27.Jim Duggan, Dick Murdoch & Bill Watts vs. Kamala, Kareem Muhammad & Skandor Akbar (7/28/85) 28.Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (10/11/85) 29.Ted DiBiase & Steve Williams vs. The Barbarian & Jake The Snake Roberts (7/14/85) 30.Ted DiBiase vs. Terry Taylor (7/3/85) 31.Ted Dibiase vs. Jake Roberts (7/22/85) 32.Hacksaw Butch Reed vs. Ted DiBiase (7/25/85) 33.Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) 34.Dick Murdoch vs. Butch Reed (10/14/85) 35.RNR Express/Reed vs Gang/Death/Kamala 2/25/85 36.Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) 37.Al Perez & Wendell Cooley vs. Dr. Death & Bob Sweetan (8/30/85) 38.Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (11/8/85) 39.Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) 40.Bob Roop vs Mike George 12/16/81 41.Mr. Olympia vs Paul Orndorff 2/3/82 42.Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) 43.JYD/Wrestling 2 vs Dibiase/Borne 2/16/83 44.Duggan/Fantastics vs Midnights/Cornette 7/20/84 45.JYD/Mr.Olympia vs Duggan/Dibiase 8/18/82 46.RNR Express/Lothario vs Landell/Guerreros 1/18/85 47.Magnum TA vs Ted Dibiase Houston 7/6/84 48.The Fantastics vs. Steve Williams & Jake The Snake Roberts (4/14/85) 49.Dibiase/Williams vs Gordy/Duggan Texas Tornado 1/21/85 50.Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) 51.Ted Dibiase & Dr. Death vs. Rock N Roll Express (6/19/85) 52.Rock n Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (6/30/85) 53.Dick Murdoch vs. The Nightmare (7/14/85) 54.The Fantastics vs. Dutch Mantell & Bill Dundee (10/4/85) 55.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) 56.Magnum TA/Gee vs Ladd/Reed 11/4/84 57.Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts vs. Rock N Roll Express (6/24/85) 58.Dirty White Boys vs. Rock N Roll Express (4/15/85) 59.Rock n Roll Express vs. Jake Roberts & Barbarian (6/28/85) 60.Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (10/11/85) 61.Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) 62.Stagger Lee/Mr.Olympia vs Dibiase/Borne Loser leaves town 12/18/82 63.Brickhouse/Master Gee vs Ladd/Reed 10/21/84 64.Ted Dibiase vs Brad Armstrong 2/10/85 65.Killer Khan vs Chris Adams 9/9/84 66.Brad Armstong vs Ted Dibiase 1/16/85 67.Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (10/11/85) 68.Nick Bockwinkel vs JYD 6/11/82 69.Buddy landell/Butch Reed vs RNR Express 3/28/84 70.Buck Robley vs One Man Gang Lumberjack Match 9/15/82 71.Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater vs. The Fantastics (10/27/85) 72.Porkchop Cash and Bill Dundee vs Midnight Express 4/6/84 73.Fantastics vs Midnight Express No DQ 9/28/84 74.Kevin Von Erich vs Chris Adams 1/18/85 75.Hacksaw Duggan & Dick Murdoch vs. Kamala & Kareem Muhammad (7/14/85) 76.Adrian Street vs Chris Adams 10/10/84 77.Butch Reed vs Skip Young 3/23/84 78.Fantastics vs Midnight Express 8/9/84 79.Bob roop vs Ted Dibiase 4/2/82 80.Iron Shiek vs Butch Reed 4/8/83 81.Magnum TA/Wrestling II vs Midnight Express 2/10/84 82.Dusty Rhodes vs Nick Bockwinkel 5/20/83 83.Midnight Express vs RNR Express Scaffold match 12/2/84 84.Terry Taylor vs Adrian street 12/7/84 The biggest disappointment of this set so far has been Ric Flair and the Midnights. The midnight matches got better towards the end but the Fantastics feud was just bad. Especially the no DQ match. And I like Flair but the Taylor matches were just so boring.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 09:27 PM

People have for the most part just been really stuck on mid 1985 and those Flair/Taylor matches for weeks and weeks. I'm hoping people actually get to the other side of them and get into 1986 and 1987 soon so the same points aren't being repeated so much, and there can be some fresh talk. I've watched it, but felt it was kinda pointless to talk about it since everyone seems stuck on Flair/Taylor matches.

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Posted 17 March 2008 - 10:11 PM

I've been watching the Reed/Murdoch feud and just watched Flair/Dibiase. Both matches are high on my list as you can see. Dick Murdoch has put some fresh air in this set as I was wondering if it was going to get any better after the rough 1984- early 1985 section. I can't wait to see babyface Ted Dibiase and more of the Freebirds. And Sawyer/Duggan almost tops the Rich/Sawyer feud in being so hate filled.

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 03:23 PM

My thought on Disk #6 (Ranked in order of best-to-worst):

Cream of the crop:

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85) [BW-8] - Moments before the match, a jealous wrestler posts Dibiase opening a cut that won't close. But DiBiase refuses to go to the hospital and give up his chance at the NWA World title.

2. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (9/22/85) [BW-1] - Classic babyface Vs. babyface match that goes nearly an hour. Instead of a brawl it's more an exhibition, at least at the beginning. Reed's awesome but its the Murdoch show here.

Very good too:

3. Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer (11/11/85) [BW-10] - Barbaric match that continues long after the bell. 46 Police barricades were bent in this match.

4. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (10/11/85) [BW-4] - Good return match for the NWA World title.

5. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (10/14/85) [BW-6] - Another return match, this time with a winner.

6. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (Taped Fist) (10/11/85) [BW-3] - Old Vs. New School.

Good:

7. Butch Reed vs. Ric Flair (11/8/85) [BW-9] - Flair/Reed III which was all action o TV.

8. Jake Roberts vs. Ric Flair (11/24/85) [BW-12] - Milliseconds before the bell Flair gets knocked the F out by a DDT. After recovering he's forced to still defend the title. Another DDT and Jake's the World champ!

9. The Fantastics vs. Dutch Mantell & Bill Dundee (10/4/85) [BW-2] - Whip-on-a-pole match. Fun stuff.

Good to OK

10. Butch Reed vs. Dick Slater (11/22/85) [BW-11] - Reed's looking for revenge after Slater injured his neck.

11. The Fantastics vs. Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater (10/27/85) [BW-7] - OK tag match.

12. Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Sweetan (10/13/85) [BW-5] - More Old Vs. New School.

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Thought for Disk #6:

- Murdoch rules!

- Jake Roberts was crazy over.

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Floyd's Ongoing Mid-South Top 20: (re-watched, re-vamped and re-ordered after 6 Disks)

1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14]
2. Ric Flair vs. Butch Reed (8/10/85) [TSGDIA-10]
3. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted Dibiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8]
4. Ted DiBiase vs. Ric Flair (11/6/85) [BW-8]
5. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14]
6. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (5/3/85) [RNRIK-3]
7. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrerro (6/24/83) [PTB-13]
8. Terry Taylor vs. Ric Flair (6/1/85) [RNRIK-7][/b]
9. Butch Reed vs. Dick Murdoch (9/22/85) [BW-1]
10. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16]

11. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3]
12. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13]
13. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (4/28/85) [RNRIK-1]
14. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) [BR-17]
15. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) [BR-11]
16. Ric Flair vs. Wahoo McDaniel (7/12/85) [TSGDIA-3]
17. Dirty White Boys vs. Terry Daniels & Bill Dundee (5/11/85) [RNRIK-6]
18. Hacksaw Duggan vs. Buzz Sawyer (11/11/85) [BW-10]
19. Kerry Von Erich vs. Ric Flair (5/4/85) [RNRIK-4]
20. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2]

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The Mid-South Marathon continues... It's like crack but the come-down isn't that bad.

#53 CodySave

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 01:30 AM

I can't be the only one that really dislikes the Flair vs. Taylor series. The mathes themsleves aren't terrible, but they fit in oddly with most of the rest of the set.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 06:03 AM

I don't agree with it, but you're definitely not the only one. People have been going pretty back and forth on those matches for a few weeks now. I just wish we could get to a point where there's more discussion on stuff like Doc/Gordy, and especially the Taylor/Adams matches, and some of the better stuff that exists later on the set. I could watch Ric Flair formula a million times and never get sick of it, but I do understand why some people are so tired of seeing it. Because the formula has been so overexposed, it's easy to forget how great of a formula it really is. Begging off is good. Getting slammed off the top rope is a huge bump and a great spot. The figure four setup moves (kneebreaker, dropping his weight on his opponent's leg while propped up on the ropes, kneedrop) are all great. His chops were always amazing. The matwork he did, while outclassed by many people in wrestling history, was very good at keeping things moving in a way where they didn't get boring. You can almost call the matches sometimes while watching admittedly, but I really like that Ric Flair just took the Ric Flair Show on tour as champion. Nearly everyone who had a match with him came out looking good, and he's only rivaled by a few at getting over the big picture. I also enjoy Flair matches as a way to compare two wrestlers, because you know what Flair is going to bring, so the differences between whatever two wrestlers you choose are pretty apparent. When people criticize the Flair formula, I can understand it, even when I don't agree with it. It's overexposed as hell, not only by Flair, but by nearly every new heel who has come along since him being some type of ripoff -- Taylor, Hennig, Michaels, HHH, pre-WWF Austin, etc. It's made the heels who don't attempt to emulate him -- Bret Hart, Vader, Rick Rude (to an extent), WWF Austin, Undertaker, Eddy Guerrero -- look much more fresh. Fresher versus better is kinda the key to Flair debates.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 05:51 PM

It's not that the Flair/Taylor matches are horrible, just that they are basically the same. And I'm just wondering why there are 3 of them on the set? I'm going to have to watch them again when I get done with the whole set to see if there is a difference between the 3. And I can't wait for the Taylor/Adams matches. I've seen one of them(The heel turn) and it was outstanding.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 09:48 PM

All three are represented becasue I couldn't justify leaving off three 30+ minute matches that we all thought were worthy of inclusion for a 6 minute TV match that probably got cut. I also think that they have three different personalities. One is the leg getting caught in the rope match, you have the no leg work match and the finale at the Dome. Also, I think Loss has been a little impatient. While we have been exposed to this stuff for years, many of the people who picked up the set are seeing it for the first time. I love reading their reactions and how there are a few matches that everyone agrees on (Stips match, 11/11/85) and then you have matches that people have extreme opposite opinions on... which happen to be the matches that the nomination crew had fights about. This has been a blast reading all of the reactions and making out like I did when I first picked up the Barnett Mid South set.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 05:03 PM

So I finally got my set today (hooray!) and I've wasted no time digging into it. I'm not watching the disks straight through exactly though, someone at DVDVR put up a list that more or less puts all the extras where they should be chronologically, so as I'm pretty new to Mid South I'm choosing to go at it that way for my own clarity's sake.

I'm taking my own notes as I go, I guess I might as well post them. I guess it's doubtful that I'll finish in time to get a ballot in but I still have been looking forward to getting in on this anyway. So I'll post my notes, maybe something will be interesting to somebody.

Fabulous Freebirds vs. Junkyard Dog & Buck Robley
So it finally begins! I'm choosing to do this all as close to chronological order as possible, so I actually begin here, on extras disk 2. Since I'm totally new to Mid-South, easing in with a couple extras isn't a bad way anyway to "get a feel" for things without diving in head first into instant rankings craziness.

Two very early first impressions: I really like Bill Watts as a commentator, in terms of how he puts over the action without SCREAMING WILDLY ALL THE TIME, which is a very pleasant throwback in itself to something wrestling has really gone totally away from in America. The other first impression is that, wow the Junkyard Dog sure looks radically different from how I am used to seeing him from later on. I’ve never really seen him in great shape before, but physically he's really impressive here and it helps put how I was used to him later in his career into some perspective. He looked quite impressive here, probably best displayed with a really good powerslam.

Although this is my first look at Mid South, I was aware right from the start this had to be the famous "JYD is blinded" angle I'd heard about, and I really liked it. Loved the way Dog sold it myself, I'm glad this was included because it is one of the most remembered Mid South Angles. The double clothesline finish after a 30 minute match seems kind of lame, but the angle itself looked really well done. Enjoyable enough beginning.


Fabulous Freebirds vs. Junkyard Dog & Bill Watts
I assume this is the eventual revenge match of the above? Probably. Hey, my first Bill Watts match! I feel more manly already~!

For a guy in a singlet, Watts sure is all about the punching and kicking people. Being as Stan Hansen is my second favourite wrestler, that sits just fine with me. Watts also brings the ~spitting in your face~, you cowardly heel sissies.

This one felt a little too brief even as an extra, but whatever.


Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch vs. Wild Samoans
Hey, Dustry Rhodes was actually more "Shinya Hashimoto bulky" than "The Burger Keeeng, if you weeeel" here. Heel collusion! Heel collusion, by gawd! Dick Murdoch's all fucked up.

I really like angry Dusty Rhodes promos so I wholehearedly approve of this inclusion. Say what you will about his wrestling and his ego, the man knows how to talk. That promo was blood pumping good stuff. "The guiding light will follow the American Dream". The double Murdoch promos were interesting. The first one I guess they figured he didn't sell enough pain for a guy with busted ribs (which is what I was thinking), so they had him cut another. I still don't think it was that great, but the Dusty promo made the segment for me. Still enjoyed it.


Killer Khan - Ted DiBiase Brawl
I've had a Killer Khan soft spot ever since I saw his match with Choshu in All Japan, which really ruled. As for this segment... does exactly what it says on the label. Fun. Michael Hayes brings it nicely here on the mic, and the brawl was nice enough. Also Khan chopping through the board to get him over = win. Loved that. This segment was really good at showing the classic heel device that the heel has to feel justified in what he does, or it's just stupid.

I was trying to figure out what the hell about this seemed so familiar, then it hit me. Hayes sitting there, neckbrace, jacket with no shirt, oily body, working the mic, putting himself over as pretty and putting his people over as tough… was Joel Gertner ripping off Michael Hayes? Wow. That's... interesting.

Also, lol @ commentary "The little Jap manager". Indeed.

This was great.

Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81)
I've only seen Roop wrestle once before, an NWF title match in the late 70's againt Inoki in New Japan. It kind of sucked, but it was an Inoki NWF title match, so yeah that happened more than once. I'm willing to let that slide. George I've never seen before that I know of.

Roop as "wrestler that chooses to be an asshole"is apparently really fun. Scientific heels are a rare breed so it's a nice change from the usual heel shenanigans. The "fly onto the apron, run into the post" thing surprised the hell out of me too.

Okay opening match, nothing outstanding but a good start. Sets a nice enough tone. Both guys played their roles well.

Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82)
Another first for me, with this Olympia match.

Fun match. Watts does a good job putting over Orndorff's arrogance gimmick and pointing out a couple times when he tries to steal Dibiase and Orton's finishers, and how he shouldn't look past Olympia. Which of course bites him in the ass. This one had a nice pace to it, and I'm all for a submission finish time to time. Good enjoyable contest that got over Orndorff's overconfidence and Olympia's ability to strike quickly.

Killer Karl Kox News Feature
Uh... nice KKK vest. Or something. Otherwise nothing too exceptional though it is interesting to see these old news pieces that still at least sort of treat wrestling like a sport. Of course they still get in the â"ow you perform is at least as important as winning and losing" line.

Ted DiBiase vs. Bob Roop (4/2/82)

I didn't mind this but like a lot of Mid-South TV it feels a little short for my tastes. Still, what they do here is solid enough. I'm leaning towards saying I didn't like this match so much based on Roop's main point of attack being the leg, and the story basically being Dibiase shrugging that off entirely. I get that they're going for "he's really fired up and ready for Roop" But Roop didn't have much other offense so this came off like "champion gets squashed".


Precious Paul Ellering Workouts
I was totally unprepared for this one... words cannot describe these. Jesus Christ. I can honestly say I've never seen anything quite like this before, and I'm pretty sure every time someone watches this segment, an angel loses it's wings. I can't even begin to do this justice in words.

Completely awesome wrestling insanity. May it never happen again.

"POWERRRRRRRR…. YEAHHH!!!!~~~~~~~~~"


Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82)
Boy the fans are way into JYD’s entrance, aren't they? Good stuff.

Boyd Pierce's (I think it's Boyd Pierce, right?) ramble on the "Crowned uncrowned king of wrestling' was totally awesome.

Apparently Keiji Muto is a closet JYD fan, as JYD hits a huge Russian leg sweep and instead of going for the pin he... sits there, staring into the distance, which the fans pop for. Classic Muto I thought, but it's apparently true that ~everyone~ steals from Mid South! Anyway, this match has had a lot of dislike/apathy put on it at DVDVR but I’m not feeling it. I thought this was the best match so far, an enjoyable change of pace from the high speed Mid South studio matches. Besides, Dog's punches look pretty good and Bockwinkle plays chickenshit pretty well. Well, I liked it anyway. It’s not all time epic or anything hell it's not even "great", but it's a decent match and the flash pin on Bockwinkle drew a huge pop so obviously they did something right. Then Heenan does what Heenan does, and stooges, and then Brody kick ass and such. I may be in the minority but I rather enjoyed it. Of the first few matches that get ranked I liked this one best.

Best thing I saw in the bunch: The Khan/Dibiase brawl segment. And Paul Ellering being scary and awesome.
Worst thing I saw in the bunch: Dick Murdoch's "I hurt my ribs, I swear" promo #1, which apparently they promptly redid. And Paul Ellering being scary and awesome.

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Posted 29 March 2008 - 11:27 AM

I've ripped through Disk 1 in two days. Let's hope I can hold that pace and I might actually still get a ballot in. I'm also trying to watch the extras in where they belong chronologically (thanks to whoever the guy was that posted a huge list of them in the DVDVR Extras thread) and I'm more or less counting those as part of the experience of each disk even if they aren't listed officially as such, because they add tremendously to my enjoyment. So, my rankings and thoughts of disk 1: 1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (Street Fight) (7/29/83) [PTB-14] 2. Mr. Olympia vs. Chavo Guerrero (6/24/83) [PTB-13] 3. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (Loser Leaves Town) (10/27/82) [PTB-8] 4. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Butch Reed & Jim Neidhart (Cage Match) (12/25/83) [PTB-15] 5. Midnight Express vs. Rock N Roll Express (No DQ: Tag Titles vs. $50,000) (5/23/84) [PTB-20] 6. Mr. Wrestling II & Magnum T.A. vs. Midnight Express (2/10/84) [PTB-16] 7. Mr. Olympia vs. Bob Roop (7/15/82) [PTB-5] 8. Midnight Express vs. Bill Watts & Stagger Lee (4/22/84) [PTB-19] 9. One Man Gang vs. Buck Robley (Lumberjack Match) (9/15/82) [PTB-7] 10. Junkyard Dog & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Hacksaw Duggan (8/18/82) [PTB-6] 11. Buddy Landel & Butch Reed vs. Rock N Roll Express (3/28/84) [PTB-17] 12. Junkyard Dog vs. Nick Bockwinkel (6/11/82) [PTB-4] 13. Mr. Olympia vs. Paul Orndorff (2/3/82) [PTB-2] 14. Butch Reed vs. Iron Sheik (4/8/83) [PTB-11] 15. Bob Roop vs. Mike George (12/16/81) [PTB-1] 16. Midnight Express vs. Bill Dundee & Porkchop Cash (4/6/84) [PTB-18] 17. Mr. Wrestling II & Junkyard Dog vs. Matt Borne & Ted DiBiase (2/16/83) [PTB-10] 18. Stagger Lee & Mr. Olympia vs. Ted DiBiase & Matt Borne (12/18/82) [PTB-9] 19. Bob Roop vs. Ted DiBiase (4/2/82) [PTB-3] 20. Nick Bockwinkel vs. Dusty Rhodes (5/20/83) [PTB-12] MVP: I think this might be the hardest disk to do an MVP for, simply because chronologically it covers the largest time frame and there's just so many good wrestlers on this disk. I'm going to give it to JYD based on him being the guy everything was built around in the early days and doing a good job with it, and for basically showing me he wasn't always the lethargic embarassment I have seen elsewhere. Stock going up: JYD. Also Jim Cornette, who is brilliant. I mean I've always known he was brilliant, but this is like brilliant +1. Seeing a young preppie Cornette rant and rave about how his Mommy is going to buy out Mid South so he can make Bill Watts a janitor, fuck over the Rock and Roll Express with an ether rag, get his face pushed into a cake followed by a hyperventalating/screaming fit that makes an otherwise ordinary segment fantastic, just his general energy... Cornette was the star of the Midnight Express to this point. He's just awesome, especially if you are watching extras in their apropriate context. Stock going down: Dusty Rhodes. Has only one official match in the set through here, which I ripped on at DVDVR for basically being two guys "trying to do enough to make it not suck but doing nothing they don't do in every match they have", and it was the only match to this point I genuinely didn't like. He's clearly around more in this time frame as he crops up in the extras a couple times, but he isn't making the main set. I love Dusty's promos, I really do. But as a wrestler I don't think I'm a fan. Other general thoughs: A disk into my first foray into the Mid South that I've heard about for years and I'm already a huge fan. a few matches in I have to be honest that I was a bit worried about where it seemed to be going, every match operating under a 10 minute studio time limit... you can only do so much in 4-6 minutes of work, even if it's top work in that time. But the variety of disk 1 actually is really something. You have an all out street fight, a Chavo/Olympia lucha-style grudge match, the great Loser Leaves Town match which is an example of excellent wrestling with the kind of classic angle that makes American wrestling tick, a fairly unique cage match, formula southern tag wrestling, high paced well executed studio singles matches... there's really so many diffrerent styles even on just 1 disk. And every one of those styles is being executed well. Right before doing this project, I was ranking a ballot for All Japan in the 1990's. Incredible wrestling. Incredible lack of style diversity to the point my head wanted to explode by the end. Watts seems to love some variety, and it really helps a lot for a project like this and shows why the product was so successful.

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Posted 30 March 2008 - 02:51 PM

So, I certainly had a couple opinions on disk 2 that seem to be against the common collective brain machine, but that's just fine. After all there wouldn't be much point in doing ballots if we all thought the same way. Disk 1 was good. Disk 2 was great. This was so much fun, I was actually planning to pace myself a little more with my viewing of this but it's too good to put down. Rankings for disk 2 only: 1. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (No DQ) (9/28/84) [SDM-11] 2. Butch Reed vs. Skip Young (9/23/84) [SDM-10] 3. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (6/8/84) [SDM-3] 4. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (Tulsa 5/27/84) [SDM-2] 5. Killer Khan vs. Chris Adams (9/9/84) [SDM-9] 6. Brickhouse Brown & Master G vs. Butch Reed & Ernie Ladd (10/21/84) [SDM-14] 7. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (7/6/84) [SDM-5] 8. Magnum T.A. vs. Ted DiBiase (No DQ) (OKC 5/27/84) [SDM-1] 9. The Fantastics vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (10/12/84) [SDM-13] 10. Dusty Rhodes & Jim Duggan vs. Butch Reed & Hercules Hernandez (8/19/84) [SDM-8] 11. The Fantastics vs. Midnight Express (OKC 8/9/84) [SDM-7] 12. Rock N Roll Express & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Ernie Ladd (7/2/84) [SDM-4] 13. Adrian Street vs. Chris Adams (10/10/84) [SDM-12] 14. The Fantastics & Hacksaw Duggan vs. Midnight Express & Jim Cornette (7/20/84) [SDM-6] MVP: The Midnight Express. I was a bit down on some Midnights that others were up on, and vice versa, but pretty much universally in terms of the talk, somebody's got something the Midnights did here ranked pretty well up. I thought Dennis Condrey really steps it up on this disk. And Eaton is Eaton. Stock going up: Butch Reed. Yeah put me in the "I knew he would be 'better than in Doom' but not this much better" camp. Very impressed with him so far. I can't wait until I get to his actual "good" stuff. ;-) Reed is going to be the breakout star of this set for all the people that didn't know Mid South before now, he just has that "it" factor around him here already, and apparently the best is still definitely to come. Stock going down: I can't really say anyone stands out for this. This was a pretty solid disk with only one match I disliked, and even that involves six guys who otherwise you've got no reason to be down on. Eh, let's give it to Skandor Akbar for blatantly missing his cues from Killer Khan in the Khan/Adams match, for all the difference it made (which would be pretty much none). I really have no one else to give it to here. ;-) General thoughts: A lot of my thoughts on the matches seem a bit out of line with the consensus, but this is still a really great disk. I just think it's great for different reasons than a lot of other people. I guess that says something about how good this stuff is: it's pretty hard to watch this stuff and not find something to love. I'm really in love with Mid South at this point, 2 disks in. It's already living up to the very large reputation. For years I heard about Mid South but never got into it because I simply didn't know where to start, and this set certainly took care of that and more. I'm not about to abandon my Japanese tape/disk collection that makes up most of what I watch or anything. But this stuff certainly is not ending up with my old WWF/WCW tapes collecting dust, Mid South is really fucking great.

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Posted 31 March 2008 - 11:16 PM

Ted Dibiase doesn't have any great matches. I heard it on the interwebz, it must be true. Rankings for disk 3 only: 1. Ted DiBiase vs. Hacksaw Duggan (No DQ, Loser Leaves Town, Coal Miner's Glove on a Poll, Tuxedo, Cage match ) (3/22/85) [BR-14] 2. Ted DiBiase vs. Brad Armstrong (2/10/85) [BR-10] 3. Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan (No DQ) (3/8/85) [BR-13] 4. Rock N Roll Express vs. Chavo & Hector Guerrero (2/13/85) [BR-11] 5. Ted DiBiase & Dr. Death vs. Hacksaw Duggan & Terry Gordy (Texas Tornado Match) (1/21/85) [BR-9] 6. The Fantastics vs. Dr. Death & Jake Roberts (4/14/85) [BR-15] 7. Ric Flair vs. Terry Taylor (4/28/85) [BR-17] 8. Brad Armstrong vs. Ted DiBiase (1/16/85) [BR-5] 9. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Brickhouse Brown, Bill Dundee & Jose Lothario (Elimination Match) (11/16/84) [BR-2] 10. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams (1/18/85) [BR-6] 11. Buddy Landel, Chavo & Hector Guerrero vs. Rock N Roll Express & Jose Lothario (1/18/85) [BR-7] 12. Rock N Roll Express vs. Dirty White Boys (4/15/85) [BR-16] 13. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (1/21/85) [BR-8] 14. Ernie Ladd & Butch Reed vs. Magnum T.A. & Master G (Street Fight) (11/4/84) [BR-1] 15. Rock N Roll Express & Butch Reed vs. Dr. Death, Kamala & One Man Gang (2/25/85) [BR-12] 16. Adrian Street vs. Terry Taylor (Loser Leaves Town) (12/7/84) [BR-4] 17. Rock N Roll Express vs. Midnight Express (Scaffold Match) (12/2/84) [BR-3] MVP: Ted Dibiase. Top three matches for me on the disk, and 4 of my top 5. I just have been so into his work every time he is on my screen. Stock going up: Ted Dibiase. He just owns disk three, at least he did for me. He's got my new overall #1 with the stips match, and as of right now although I'm not posting my ongoing overall ballot I will say he's sitting in 4 of my top 5 (not all the same four as on this disk). Stock going down: Robert Gibson. He's really starting to get on my nerves, the man made at least 90% of his career standing on the apron bringing the very skillful rythmic clapping and the "Rock and Roll" monodrone chants. The man could wear a cheerleader outfit and it wouldn't be terribly out of place. I like Morton, I like my fair share of Rock and Roll Express matches, but Gibson personally does nothing that couldn't have been done by someone else. General thoughts: This disk was seriously all over the map. A handful of my favourites so far, and three of my bottom four, plus a bunch of middling stuff. There were parts of this disk that almost made me sleepy, and then you get Dibiase and Duggan making you want to jump around and celebrate the love of the glorious pro wrestling. Or something.




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