Kadaveri Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Yeah someone posted a photo from the Glasgow Show of 'Intermission' on the tron and said it was UK PPV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Someone on twitter taking a photo of the Intermission sign on the tron and making a joke about how it's an upcoming UK PPV isn't a "hoax" but I guess Dave has to try and spin it so he doesn't look as dumb as he really is in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Why did they stop doing UK-only PPVs, by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 They started doing European tours instead, which I assume were more profitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Did those UK PPVs precede tours altogether? I remember the first WWE house show I went to was a tour connected to one of those UK PPVs (Rebellion I think). I got the impression that it just made more sense on a number of levels for them to do Raw and Smackdown from London or wherever rather than trying to get over and back so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrzfn Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 They toured Europe at least as early as the mid 80s. There are episodes of Prime Time dedicated to airing matches from Paris and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 They started doing European tours instead, which I assume were more profitable. Â I don't see why these things are exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 I really thought it was because they didn't want to deal with the time difference and spoilers getting out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Loss was talking about these UK-only PPVs like One Night Only or Insurrextion, not world-wide PPVs. In the network era there are no real PPVs anyway (at least outside the US, in the US I suppose the shows are still available on some cable providers even though the official internet page of the Survivor Series 2017 does not even mention it), so the most they could do nowadays is running network specials from the UK which they actually did this year. Regarding them doing European tours before: I don't think that the WWF would have survived the mid 90ies without running lots of tours (like 6-8 a year; sometimes on German TV they were plugging two tours in parallel) in Europe during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Dave Meltzer is now on Twitter arguing Kenny Omega sells more tickets than John Cena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Dave Meltzer is now on Twitter arguing Kenny Omega sells more tickets than John Cena. Â No, he's not. Â He's arguing Omega moves a higher percentage of tickets per show than Cena. Apparently when Omega was added to RoH shows this year, they were able to sell more tickets than usual. Â He's not pretending Omega brings indy shows up to WWE-crowd levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Since ROH draws so much less than WWE, the fact Omega moved more tickets when added than when Cena is added to WWE is something worth pointing out? It's fucking odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 That's like saying that someone who has a three-way doubles the house. It doesn't really mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 And now you understand why people make jokes about how Jericho vs Omega will be 5 stars before it actually happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 He's also arguing that if John Cena was booked for Ring of Honor it wouldn't sell as many extra tickets as Kenny Omega, so it's not just 'proportionately in their respective companies'. Â Omega might have moved more tickets proportionately for those RoH shows but he's wrestled for RoH only two weeks in the last three years? Obviously something in such rare supply is going to sell quicker than something readily available. It doesn't necessarily mean the demand for it is that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 On what planet do proportional increases matter when the companies are nowhere near the same size? If a company draws 5 people, then brings me in to headline and 10 people show up, am I a bigger difference maker than John Cena? It's a completely useless thing to even talk about unless you're comparing oranges to oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It was in response to someone knocking Omega and as with most Dave Twitter arguments, has evolved into something else with both sides being pedantic about wording. Â He said Omega was the biggest ticket mover in the US. Â Is he right? Numbers-wise, it would be impossible since RoH isn't selling at WWE's level. But if he adds hundreds of tickets to a group that regularly sells 1000 or less, that's kind of a big deal. Â Whether he sells more than Cena (he doesn't), it's still impressive and worth noting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It is definitely impressive, especially in the modern climate. Sadly, the way Dave formulated his point takes away from that instead of pointing out how impressive it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It was in response to someone knocking Omega and as with most Dave Twitter arguments, has evolved into something else with both sides being pedantic about wording. Â He said Omega was the biggest ticket mover in the US. Â Is he right? Numbers-wise, it would be impossible since RoH isn't selling at WWE's level. But if he adds hundreds of tickets to a group that regularly sells 1000 or less, that's kind of a big deal. Â Whether he sells more than Cena (he doesn't), it's still impressive and worth noting. Â That's the kind of crazy open-mindedness and flexibility of logic that lets people actually give Buddy Rose the credit he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It's also kind of annoying how a lot of the people coming at Dave automatically dismiss anyone and anything not WWE, several times they've come at him that wrestler X or Y can't be a star in wrestling because they've never had at WWE run which is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...TG Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 It's also kind of annoying how a lot of the people coming at Dave automatically dismiss anyone and anything not WWE, several times they've come at him that wrestler X or Y can't be a star in wrestling because they've never had at WWE run which is ridiculous. Part of Dave's twitter bit is QT-ing and snarkily responding to the dumbest of his replies so there's more than a little confirmation bias in there. Â This is a weird hill for Dave to try to die on but again, that's part of his twitter persona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Â It's also kind of annoying how a lot of the people coming at Dave automatically dismiss anyone and anything not WWE, several times they've come at him that wrestler X or Y can't be a star in wrestling because they've never had at WWE run which is ridiculous. Â Part of Dave's twitter bit is QT-ing and snarkily responding to the dumbest of his replies so there's more than a little confirmation bias in there. Â This is a weird hill for Dave to try to die on but again, that's part of his twitter persona. If he's quote tweeting and snarking to the most stupid of people in his mentions and isn't coming across as being particularly smarter, what does that say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Pretty disappointed in Dave on Twitter today. I and other people I know have talked about how cool it is that Kenny Omega and other people, like Penta, on the independent wrestling scene have been impressive as of late, without doing eyerolling comparisons to John Cena or making up a Jeff Hardy ROH run that never happened. Just embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Didn't the Jeff Hardy run he's referring to happen in 2003 anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Didn't the Jeff Hardy run he's referring to happen in 2003 anyway? Â Yep, people have been tweeting at him that correction and of course, he hasn't replied or corrected his previous talking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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