Sean Liska Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 The odd comparison (or joke or I don't even know what it was) Meltzer made about segregation in Memphis during the 1950s and NJPW limiting Wrestle Kingdom tickets to Americans was really bad. Somehow knowing how Dave thinks I can immediately think of what the comparison here would be. Bad for business in both cases, unnecessarily limiting your audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fando Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Dave has said that there is evidence of the posted texts being edited and a defamation lawsuit being filed against the woman so that's one explanation of his response. Difficult to see how this makes Elgin look any better unless both her and Vic Venom Bytes' screenshots were all edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Dave has said that there is evidence of the posted texts being edited and a defamation lawsuit being filed against the woman so that's one explanation of his response. Difficult to see how this makes Elgin look any better unless both her and Vic Venom Bytes' screenshots were all edited. Elgin obviously texted that stuff to himself, anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Man I don't know what his previous relationships were but man it must have been rough because he has always had the "you know women can be crazy' attitude many many times And if all of these texts were edited to make him look bad, how come this VicVemonBytes douche on Twitter that seem to start most of the slut shaming hasn't been screaming about it. if anyone would want to get pissed about his character it would be him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Man I don't know what his previous relationships were but man it must have been rough because he has always had the "you know women can be crazy' attitude many many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Listening to the podcast on Elgin now because I wanted to know what people were talking about. Its just Meltzer going on and on in his trademark inarticulate manner about something he doesn't seem to know all the details about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Its just Meltzer going on and on in his trademark inarticulate manner about something he doesn't seem to know all the details about. Yep. Strikes me as Meltz being his awkward self as opposed to anything outrageous and repulsive as it was portrayed by a single line out of context (which doesn't surprise me one bit considering the name of the Twitter account in question). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 I don't think it's unfair to suggest that Meltzer often displays a shortsightedness about social issues outside of his wrestling/MMA bubble and that he will vouch for/play down negatives about guys he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Agreed, at least with the first part of the sentence (about downplaying stuff on purpose for guys he likes, I can't think of something specific). But on this particular instance, there's really not much to get outraged about. For now at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Outrage, no, but Dave really should be more aware of the changing landscape and not put himself in a situation where he comes off like he's defending scumbags and/or victim bashing. As far as the second part, the most famous example that comes to mind is Ric Flair. He's had a gigantic blind spot for him and his drunken antics for years and it took his body shutting down from years of abuse for Dave to finally come to terms with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 I was thinking about more similar cases, like Austin physically abusing Debra for instance. I wonder what his reporting looked like at the time. I agree that the whole "in Japan they don't care about the other stuff, at all" comes off rather dismissing of "the other stuff", which involves implied rape, to focus on the fact Elgin talked badly about Jeff Cobb, the usual wrestling bubble crap. Odd sense of what really matters in this whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fando Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Is it being dismissive or is that realistically what the company is more concerned with? Why are people taking what sounds like Dave summarizing the view from NJPW office, that if not for the Cobb texts Elgin would not have any heat in Japan over a rape claim against a student from his school, as his personal opinion on what's "actually important"? Also, on blind spots, it was really clear when Dave was on Jericho's podcast last, even after doing that whole recap of the interview Jericho did with Nancy's sister, that it hasn't really sunk it how Benoit was not a great guy at all before That Weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 I was thinking about more similar cases, like Austin physically abusing Debra for instance. I wonder what his reporting looked like at the time. I agree that the whole "in Japan they don't care about the other stuff, at all" comes off rather dismissing of "the other stuff", which involves implied rape, to focus on the fact Elgin talked badly about Jeff Cobb, the usual wrestling bubble crap. Odd sense of what really matters in this whole story. If it had happenned during Austin's 2001 run with WWE would they have just swept it under the carpet and ignored it? Rich Swann wasent really a big enough name which led to his suspension but was wondering would WWE cover it up if say it happenned with a Main Event guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 See you guys are acting like Meltzer is a bad person who condones violence against women. I dont think he's a bad person who condones violence against women, I just think he's socially awkward and can't put two sentences together or eloquently verbalize his own thoughts and feelings if his life depended on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 I dont think he's a bad person who condones violence against women, I just think he's socially awkward and can't put two sentences together or eloquently verbalize his own thoughts and feelings if his life depended on. At the end of the day, I think that summarizes it perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 I agree with that. Also, I think what Dave wants to say, which he can't quite say the way he wants, is that it's hard for him to get upset about guys with less power doing the same things guys with more power do freely and get away with. He doesn't want to apply a double standard. So he's not going to call for disciplinary action against a wrestler if it's something Vince McMahon has also done. He's trying to side with labor, basically. Of course, the answer isn't to make both wrongs acceptable, it's to make both wrongs unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 This was a clever response to a tweet from Meltzer: https://twitter.com/Mitchel36406437/status/941716214849638405 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Dave is back on his what I like is factually great and if you dont like it youre stupid bullshit again. Someone get him off Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microstatistics Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Dave is back on his what I like is factually great and if you dont like it youre stupid bullshit again. Someone get him off Twitter. To be fair, people on the board do that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Someone tweeted Meltzer compared the Young Bucks to the Midnight Express and Jim Cornette saw it and replied... Get the popcorn ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I bet there were old timers bitching about those damn kids and their flippy flop shit when the Midnights were in their prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 The reactions to that clip thats everywhere are fucking hilarious. MMA guy and Old wrestlers losing their shit over it while sharing the clip. Any promotion is good promotion. I dont particularly like the Bucks style and all that shit, but watching them work the system and getting rich and famous is a joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I bet there were old timers bitching about those damn kids and their flippy flop shit when the Midnights were in their prime. Nick Bockwinkel's father was a wrestler so he knew the real old timers. They would often complain that the generation after theirs did too many tackles and were going to cripple themselves at an early age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Yeah, the more things change and all that. Those damn kids and their fancy wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Nah though, that Young Bucks spot was the sort of thing youd be embarrassed to be caught watching by a family member or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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