SPS Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Sorry, I'm not going to continue this conversation. You clearly have no idea how awful the justice system is with regards to sexual assaults. No need to apologize to me, I'm just trying to understand this as much as I can but you come off as a bit condescending with your responses. I haven't asked anything in a disrespectful or mocking way and you've just given one sentence answers without any information given your disdainful comments regarding the legal system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Sorry, I'm not going to continue this conversation. You clearly have no idea how awful the justice system is with regards to sexual assaults. No need to apologize to me, I'm just trying to understand this as much as I can but you come off as a bit condescending with your responses. I haven't asked anything in a disrespectful or mocking way and you've just given one sentence answers without any information given your disdainful comments regarding the legal system. This newspaper talked to 54 people who reported sexual assault. Read through it. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/what-its-like-to-report-a-sexual-assault-36-people-share-their-stories/article34338353/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 Well if the American legal system is known for one thing, it is being too in favor of the accused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 15, 2018 Report Share Posted January 15, 2018 We are getting close to a line that we might should not cross in this section of the forum at least. That said, as someone who served on a jury of a rape trial a few years back it is startling how poor our legal system is at handling these cases. If anyone wants details on the specifics of my experience I'm happy to share them via PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Sorry, I'm not going to continue this conversation. You clearly have no idea how awful the justice system is with regards to sexual assaults. No need to apologize to me, I'm just trying to understand this as much as I can but you come off as a bit condescending with your responses. I haven't asked anything in a disrespectful or mocking way and you've just given one sentence answers without any information given your disdainful comments regarding the legal system. This newspaper talked to 54 people who reported sexual assault. Read through it. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/what-its-like-to-report-a-sexual-assault-36-people-share-their-stories/article34338353/ Thank you for the link I am reading through it, although this being a Canadian site possibly some of the details may not carry to how the US process would work. Of the half dozen I've read so far they all are very different cases and the people involved are of a wide spectrum of age ranges and backgrounds. My thoughts coming from this relating to the situation at hand that we're talking about in this thread is a lot of these people who share their version of the truth as victims seem to take grievance with is a lot of what Moses talked about in her apprehension of facing backlash, being interrogated themselves and being told what they've experienced didn't happen how they remembered it or isn't how they stated it. So like I've come back to a few times now, is going public instead and being exposed to the general populace doing all these things Moses feared a more effective way than going through her local police and possibly being subjected to those same things and possibly getting a person whose committed such an atrocious crime against her charged and/or convicted? If it is, then how does the law and law officials make this process of victims of these sex crimes less frightening or traumatizing to go through reporting? Also how can the law and law officials remedy the legal methods of gathering evidence and proof to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the offender is guilty if asking for information that might be vital to their investigation isn't something the victim wants to discuss? Moses has now put all of this out into social media and news and has been vocal about notable journalists like Metlzer,Johnson, etc. not giving her the opportunity to share her side of the truth while speaking about others opinions on it which is an absolutely fair argument. But then when it comes to Bix's situation where he was willing to give her the chance to give her side while also researching all other sides Moses has voiced issue at the time it was going to take Bix to do this in contrast to what she had believed initially among other issues to be fair relating to Bix which he has spoken about in his post. So Bix is also in a much less serious but still important position of being a journalist who can't follow the methods of his field to properly give a story that he can stand by as accurate without upsetting or causing issues for the victim. So with Dave and his like being too quick and not well researched enough that improperly at best and dismissive at worst of the story and Bix being too slow and taking too much research to do the story for Moses to be comfortable, how can the media report in situations like these and not be a detriment to the whole situation? So it brings me back to my whole struggle with this situation of if the legal system is not going to be utilized in cases like this and public opinion and social media statements are what is going to be the platform for these issues then how can anyone be sure if what they are hearing is the truth without issue and how can we be sure to see those who are at fault are not allowed to go without consequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 What Moses wants is for people to take her side without question. If you follow her Twitter it is hard to come to any other conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 We are getting close to a line that we might should not cross in this section of the forum at least. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I was thinking and I'm at least partially in the wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 So Dave spent most of today on Twitter dealing with people who were True Believers in WWE's "longest running episodic...." spiel they do about Raw. One of the people he responded to was legitimately wondering why WWE would be allowed to say something that wasn't true. Oh you sweet innocent child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 That's like the time he responded to someone who asked if Braun Strowman actually flipped that ambulance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 He can act like he hates these kind of comments and questions but if he actually believes that douchebag Twitter Dave is increasing subscriptions to observer than he should thankful the dumb question keep coming in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 So Dave spent most of today on Twitter dealing with people who were True Believers in WWE's "longest running episodic...." spiel they do about Raw. One of the people he responded to was legitimately wondering why WWE would be allowed to say something that wasn't true. Oh you sweet innocent child. Even the episode number is screwy because UK fans got exclusive episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPS Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Saw this Funny Cartoon being shared online, Dave makes his cameo at the end and I chuckled pretty hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 With Flair and Jericho backstage this coming Monday Dave will most assuredly be getting Rumble/Mania plans pretty soon. So there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southofheavy Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 Love that Mauro impression and Kenny kneeing himself in the face. That OWA to himself was hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabs Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 It'll be interesting to see how Dave reports the Enzo rape allegations in wake of the Elgin news. He's probably best not sharing much of an opinion on it knowing that it will probably be well girls can be crazy and it's only her word for it which is weak evidence. Which is a fair argument but Dave isn't nuanced enough with his choice of words to be the one making it unfortunately. That said, Twitter just isn't the channel to put forward such serious accusations regardless. It's also a concerning culture that anyone can go on Twitter, acuse a celebrity of rape without fair evidence and in an instant that guy is branded a rapist worldwide with his reputation in taters. Obviously if true then fuck him but it seems like everyone has already decided he's guilty which at this stage based purely off her tweet is indicative of a potentially very worrying culture. Thinking about it now I think Dave's business may funnily enough be like WWE's in the sense that it will be what it is no matter how much he trolls and annoys his audience base barring doing something catastrophic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 There's been enough rumblings about Enzo that I doubt anyone's basing their opinon on him on jus one tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Coil Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 As somebody who doesn't follow wrestling that much anymore.. whats the rumblings with this Enzo character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 There were several stories coming out of him being a dick backstage, he got heat for bringing "unsavory" people backstage to a show (and to be considered unsavory in wrestling imagine what that must mean), to the point it was claimed Roman kicked him out of the locker room. Plus a lot of stories popping up from people not in the business on Twitter where they are saying Enzo from WWE showed up at their club/bar/exotic dancing establishment and acted like an entitled asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoos Leg Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 It'll be interesting to see how Dave reports the Enzo rape allegations in wake of the Elgin news. From what I've seen his coverage of specific personalities certainly can be colored by his opinion of their work. However in this case there appear to be more hard details, including a police report, sooooo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Was Dave way out to lunch on Taker vs Cena or was there a last minute change I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Was Dave way out to lunch on Taker vs Cena or was there a last minute change I wonder? Only thing Dave said about an Undertaker/Cena angle on RAW in the lead up was that "one would expect an angle" to set up the WM match. He didn't say he heard or knew they were going to do an angle, only that it would make sense to do so. Logically, it would have made sense to use the big audience from last night to set up the big WM match (a point Meltzer made this morning on the audio show). He also didn't' say anything to indicate that Undertaker/Cena is off for WrestleMania on the audio show. Joe was supposed to work Cena on house shows and Dave says they had a big spot planned for Joe & Cena in the Rumble. With Joe out, that spot was given to Elias. The Elias feud is completely separate of any Cena/Taker WM plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Can we add on "what were original WM 30 plans for Bryan" to the list of never ending questions Dave gets on twitter? No matter how many times he answers people want to believe it was planned from the beginning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Well WWE wants people to believe it was planned from the beginning, and as mentioned before an alarming number of people think WWE would never be allowed to say something that isn't true. That's like 95% of the reasoning behind people who get mad at Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Has WWE ever said it was planned from the beginning? HHH has always said that they responded to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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