King of Debt Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Dave Meltzer understands a reasonable amount of professional wrestling. The rest, he will never get, and arguably will never try to. I wonder what will happen re: wrestling journalism when he inevitably puts the pen down, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 He's an excellent historian on wrestling but has always had his stylistic preferences. And being the only major wrestling journalist in the world, that inevitably shaped a lot of folks' and wrestlers' opinions on what good wrestling is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButchReedMark Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Would Bill Apter count as a major wrestling journalist? Worked as it all was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDuke Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I am not really interested in his news items or his match reviews. However I do have his Tributes book and it is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Dave really is sui generis. I can't think of any other field where someone is simultaneously the preeminent journalist, historian, and critic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, King of Debt said: Dave Meltzer understands a reasonable amount of professional wrestling. The rest, he will never get, and arguably will never try to. I wonder what will happen re: wrestling journalism when he inevitably puts the pen down, though I have wondered how long he'll keep going for. He's sixty this year, is he just going to keep working until he drops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, GSR said: I have wondered how long he'll keep going for. He's sixty this year, is he just going to keep working until he drops? There was an interview from a few years ago where he insinuated that's what would happen, he said something along the lines of not stopping because he still feels completely fine and has no interest in slowing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 20 hours ago, King of Debt said: Dave Meltzer understands a reasonable amount of professional wrestling. The rest, he will never get, and arguably will never try to. I wonder what will happen re: wrestling journalism when he inevitably puts the pen down, though The main thing would be format. I think you'd get various people doing reports and reviews as we see now but the newsletter format might disappear with Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I just saw Mick Jagger give an energetic 2 hour performance at 75 years old, three months after heart valve surgery. I think Dave has at least 15 good years left in him if he wants. I don't think he's going away anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War is Raw Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 On 8/4/2019 at 8:18 PM, ButchReedMark said: Would Bill Apter count as a major wrestling journalist? Worked as it all was. Yes, he was recognized with the James C. Melby Award for wrestling journalists and historians. What I find amazing is how underrated Apter is now on all the forums I frequent. His influence was paramount on shaping views and promoting workers, and he had one of the early famous websites in 1997- 1Wrestling. Yes, he was the most respected "outsider". But he has always been active and conducts interviews on his podcast and YT channel, but for some reason Meltzer is mentioned 1 million times more and seen as relevant/an authority. He's treated like MAD Magazine, with people only having memories of his 1980s PWI family of mags, but he has a larger body of work all over the net and other mags. The best part? He's a warm, sensitive human being who loves wrestling and the workers. His worst sin was working us as kids and promoting wrestlers who he liked or paid him to be on the cover or whatever with money, access, or a chance to be on TV. It sounds a lot more insidious than it really was. It's rasslin'. I leaned heavily on his work before the net and frankly WON's typeset and price were inferior. Invaluable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Going back to Simon Gotch, that dude has just became so... boring. I don't think he was ever brought up when talking about good workers or anything but he at least used to stand out a little bit with the Vaudevillain stuff. Once he shaved off the mustache, he had nothing left. And that's coming from someone that LOVES Cradle Piledrivers. He's not a great promo or worker & feels like the least interesting member of CONTRA. So putting all those things together, I'm sure Dave has not had a lot of great things to say about him in the past, so he probably holds a grudge over something that we have all long since forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, Coffey said: Going back to Simon Gotch, that dude has just became so... boring. I don't think he was ever brought up when talking about good workers or anything but he at least used to stand out a little bit with the Vaudevillain stuff. Once he shaved off the mustache, he had nothing left Word. He was fun as Tom Lawlor seconds acting like a tough guy. He has totally sucked in the latest Contra matches (and looking worse than Josef Samael takes some will to suck, really), not to mention his now flabby looking body. Poor work, dull look, boring promos. He has become a total waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Wolfe Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Gotch has had it in for meltzer since he got his head kicked in by sin cara a couple of years ago. Dave reported it as completely one-sided, gotch maintained he got his digs in, and the resentment kept growing. I'm almost ashamed that I know this to be honest but it's the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dale Wolfe said: Gotch has had it in for meltzer since he got his head kicked in by sin cara a couple of years ago. Dave reported it as completely one-sided, gotch maintained he got his digs in, and the resentment kept growing. I'm almost ashamed that I know this to be honest but it's the truth. Holy crap I completely forgot about that entire catering fight. That would explain all of this honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 Gotch's only contribution of note to the business was that "Simon Gotch buries Enzo Amore" clip that ended up in the recommended videos feed of seemingly everyone who ever watched anything wrestling-related on Youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted August 8, 2019 Report Share Posted August 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, NintendoLogic said: Gotch's only contribution of note to the business was that "Simon Gotch buries Enzo Amore" clip that ended up in the recommended videos feed of seemingly everyone who ever watched anything wrestling-related on Youtube. If we're being honest, well yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaveri Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 I need to know how that video has hacked YouTube's algorithm. I even had a friend who doesn't even watch wrestling say they saw that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJayTabb Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Gotch is also very thin skinned, a vanity-searching blocker on Twitter. I'm blocked for mentioning - without tagging him - that I'd watched a show on IWTV where he was on the poster, but not on the actual show. You'd think being one of the few people to own a Vaudevillians t-shirt would earn me a reprieval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 Worst people on wrestling Twitter*: vanity searchers or people who tag-snitch in conversations trying to rope someone famous in to an argument? (*obviously the racists and whatnot are the real worst) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted August 9, 2019 Report Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, sek69 said: Worst people on wrestling Twitter*: vanity searchers or people who tag-snitch in conversations trying to rope someone famous in to an argument? (*obviously the racists and whatnot are the real worst) People do that with Dave by tagging Conrad for some reason and it's some of the most cringeworthy stuff possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 10, 2019 Report Share Posted August 10, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 7:08 PM, War is Raw said: Yes, he was recognized with the James C. Melby Award for wrestling journalists and historians. What I find amazing is how underrated Apter is now on all the forums I frequent. His influence was paramount on shaping views and promoting workers, and he had one of the early famous websites in 1997- 1Wrestling. Yes, he was the most respected "outsider". But he has always been active and conducts interviews on his podcast and YT channel, but for some reason Meltzer is mentioned 1 million times more and seen as relevant/an authority. He's treated like MAD Magazine, with people only having memories of his 1980s PWI family of mags, but he has a larger body of work all over the net and other mags. The best part? He's a warm, sensitive human being who loves wrestling and the workers. His worst sin was working us as kids and promoting wrestlers who he liked or paid him to be on the cover or whatever with money, access, or a chance to be on TV. It sounds a lot more insidious than it really was. It's rasslin'. I leaned heavily on his work before the net and frankly WON's typeset and price were inferior. Invaluable. Bill wasn't part of 1Wrestling at launch or even for the first several years. He's also the first to say he had very little editorial oversight of the magazines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 The fuck??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 For those who are completely lost, start here. I have no clue what any of this has to do with Matt LeBlanc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I've literally never seen anyone cheer in a movie theatre. Except maybe for the opening theme and Han Solo appearing in Force Awakens. But that was a midnight screening on opening night so it was a different atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Somehow Dave mentioning that Roman's cameo in the Hobbs and Shaw movie got no recognizable reaction ended up with UK people trying to educate him on the proper etiquette of British Cinema. *shrugs* Twitter, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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