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In Topic: Indy shoot-style matches

04 February 2018 - 02:06 PM

It seems like there are a lot of great matches that borrow elements of shoot style that don't get their due because they aren't pure enough stylistically. I don't think that's what's happening with GOTNW, but I do see that sometimes with complaints of UWFI or BattlARTS having too much pro-style influence, for example. There's nothing wrong with doing cafeteria-style pro wrestling if it works.

I did love Ki/Danielson and Justice/Garrini. I tend to enjoy pretty much all shoot style branches as well stuf that just uses its elements to create something unique like Porky/Escorpion or Lawler/Snowman, but including modern indy matches that happen to have some grappling with legit holds in it seems about as convincing as saying Lesnar vs Punk was a shoot style match because it had an Armbar spot or describing 2018 Minoru Suzuki matches as shoot style because he heavily relies on legit holds. I'm really big on traditional prowres matwork done right, but see whether it's great as a different issue than whether it's shoot style. You render the term pointless if it becomes too inclusive.

In Topic: Indy shoot-style matches

04 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

I watched some of his stuff like, 2 years ago when Evolve and grapplefuck in particular were emerging and remember him being an uninteresting grappler (who, like the rest of the guys there, worked more in the traditional pro wrestling matwork style with some legit holds mixed in than anything resembling shoot style) whose stand-up included thigh slapping headbutts, idk how much he's changed in the mean time, but it just left me with the impression that him having like, Yuki Ishikawa connections is like Kotaro Suzuki having a Misawa one. Even if they do all their spots it won't be nearly as cool.

In Topic: Indy shoot-style matches

04 February 2018 - 04:07 AM

The only thing close to actual shoot style I've seen or heard of happening was in tiny japanese indies. It's true there were/are guys like Thatcher doing more matwork-oriented work but my opinion of it is that it's artless and shit, and untill someone whom I'd trust on the matter makes a really strong argument for specific matches I'm not going to waste the I make for ~5 matches a month I watch for it when there's plenty of wrestling I know I'll earnestly like out there.

In Topic: AJPW Triple Crown Champion Jun Akiyama vs Masakatsu Funaki - AJPW 8/26/12

20 January 2018 - 08:06 AM

An interesting observation on how Funaki works this type of matches (which he’s relied on quite a lot structurally) is that it’s really not that different from his usualy pro-style-patiently, calm and collected, but ready to explode at any time. It’s laid out pretty simply-some classic title match dick measuring in the beginning wherein Funaki asserts his dominance by shoving Akiyama onto the ropes by pushing his forearm onto Akiyama’s face, their hands are tangled up in what looks like a one-handed precursor for a test of strength and as they’re about to enter it Funaki ducks, looking to avoid it but eats a big knee (which was an incredible set-up for a spot where you’ll usually see someone attempts a double leg they never do out of character on the basis of the spot just being so cool looking it’ll work) and the sprint finally starts, as we get a battle of knees and Exploders and kicks and flash submissions. and right when Funaki starts working over Akiyama’s leg and you get flashbacks to the 20-30 minute where legwork was a major focus Akiyama gets desperate and makes the mistake of entering a strike exchange with Funaki where he suffers the same fate Funaki did at the hands of Bas Rutten. ***1/2

In Topic: Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Dokonjonosuke Mishima (U-STYLE, 4/6/03)

19 January 2018 - 06:43 PM

It seems like a clear goal for any reviewer to find overarching themes, and that used to be a problem for me in shoot style, which was probably just a combination of me not knowing enough about grappling and how to write match reviews. But here we are, and albeit it didn’t resonate with me as the all time Tamura classics, I can safely categorize this as a great match. As in any Tamura match, a big theme is going to be his character-his arrogance, defiance, stubbornness or just strategy and how he positions himself versus his opponents. This is grappling heavy- the stand up does add a certain flair in that it makes feeding and entries into groundwork significantly easier as well as a true and tested way to pop the crowd, but the real action happens down under. One thing which I noted instantly is how fresh the work feels watching it in 2018-the knee on belly, reverse mount,playing bottom, a significant emphasis on guard play and positioning in general.  Mishima’s work was interesting, in that you have a guy pulling out Saenchi Kicks but also a buch of wrestling picks ups and a Huizinga Roll Toe Hold. I also enjoyed his Toe Hold attempt from side mount and the Pancrase Minoru Suzuki esque Headscissors>Armbar. Tamura’s head kick use was unusually present, and that they’d tease a single leg and an ouchi gari and then just go for a waistlock and move into something completely unrelated in an essentially throwaway sequence really makes the workrate work, because it feels natural, these guys know a bunch of cool shit, they don’t have an obligation to hit everything they know nor is aesthetically pleasing stuff just reserved for the time when they’re doing nearfalls, realistically there’s probably a bigger chance the stuff they went through before the match included Mishima feinting a slap on the ground to get Tamura to open for a leglock. And the finish is lovely because the wrestling pick up is just a move Mishima, you don’t expect it to be incredibly consequential but suddenly Tamura grabs a Guillotine and before you know it there’s a transition to the Armbar and better luck next time kid. ****1/4