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In Topic: Fuerza Guerrera vs Pantera II (EMLL 5/4/90)

02 May 2017 - 11:02 PM

I loved the holds that they applied. It was almost all the kind of elaborate stuff that you'd see in black and white 1960s highlights, and yet they found a way to make it flow and come up with sweet counters. That headscissors hammerlock from Pantera was awesome. And then in the second fall they impressed me with the way that they made it clear that Fuerza was taking control (namely through Pantera's selling), while still working a fairly even fall in which Fuerza was in danger of letting things slip away. I honestly cannot think of anything that I'd change about the first two falls, that's how good they were. The third fall had some terrific spots and close calls, but I thought it went on a bit too long, as the nearfalls over the last few minutes didn't seem any more dramatic than the ones from the middle of the fall. Still, they were cool nearfalls. Agreed on how important the match felt by the end and how consistently good the work was.


There aren't a whole lot of matches showcasing Fuerza Guerrera, technician, and I think this is probably the best one for it. He looks like he has a funkier, older school style than most of his contemporaries. This is the kind of thing you'd use if you ever wanted to argue for Fuerza being the total package. Pantera was excellent too, which makes me wish he'd gotten more of a TV push during his career. I guess there wasn't much room at the time. Anyway, definitely one of the company's best matches of the year and a clear highlight in the dossier of Fuerza Guerrera.

In Topic: Greatest championship reigns

02 May 2017 - 06:16 PM

Lizmark's run with the National Lightheavyweight belt from 1992-94. Quality TV matches against Jerry Estrada, Satanico, and Parka, with a really good defense at Triplemania I too. I also liked the match in which he won it, although I don't know if that would count as part of his reign or Universo 2000's. Unfortunately the match in which he was finally dethroned was just meaningless gimmicky AAA stuff, which set the tone for how the belt would be treated in the future.


Atlantis's NWA Middleweight title run was on the same level, although other than the famous Blue Panther match all of his televised defenses were against the same person, and the title changes at each end weren't for TV. On the house show circuit he supposedly had championship matches with Dandy and Satanico that ran over half an hour, but who knows with that stuff? It's still an impressive list of defenses. There are plenty of reigns that look like that, though, with a whole bunch of matches we'll never get to see. Look at what Hijo del Santo did with the UWA World Lightweight title.


I know that Virus's time with the CMLL Super Lightweight title was generally a happy period for current fans.

In Topic: MOTYs by year

23 April 2017 - 11:03 PM

Mexico only. Other wrestling I watch and like, but, like, I couldn't tell you which is the best Flair vs Steamboat or anything. When I watch stuff from outside of Mexico I just sit back and enjoy.

MOTY: Sangre Chicana vs MS-1, September 23
Runner-up: Sangre Chicana, Mocho Cota and La Fiera vs El Satanico, MS-1 and Espectro Jr, September 30

MOTY: El Satanico vs Gran Cochisse, September 14
Runner-up: Americo Rocca vs Mocho Cota, January 27

MOTY: El Solitario vs Dr. Wagner, December 1
Runner-up: Atlantis vs El Faraon, March 22

MOTY: El Hijo del Santo vs Espanto Jr, August 31
Runner-up: La Fiera vs Babe Face, August 15

MOTY: Villano III vs Rambo, October 25
Runner-up: El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas, July 18

MOTY: Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo del Santo, April 10(?)
Runner-up: Lola Gonzalez vs Pantera Sureña, December 9

MOTY: Atlantis, El Dandy and Mascara Sagrada vs Emilio Charles Jr, MS-1 and Tierra Viento y Fuego, November 24
Runner-up: Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Plata and El Brazo vs Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala and Verdugo, November 10

MOTY: Angel Azteca vs El Dandy, June 1
Runner-up: Fuerza Guerrera vs El Pantera, May 4 or 11

MOTY: El Hijo del Santo vs Brazo de Oro, January 13
Runner-up: Fuerza Guerrera vs Octagon, February 1

MOTY: Negro Casas vs El Dandy, July 3
Runner-up: El Hijo del Santo vs Espanto Jr, May 14

MOTY: Lizmark vs Jerry Estrada, June 18
Runner-up: Negro Casas vs La Fiera, October 1

MOTY: Javier Cruz vs Ciclon Ramirez, June 10
Runner-up: El Hijo del Santo and Octagon vs Eddy Guerrero and Love Machine, November 6

MOTY: Psicosis vs Rey Misterio Jr, September 22
Runner-up: El Hijo del Santo, Rey Misterio Jr. and Octagon vs Fuerza Guerrera, Blue Panther and Psicosis, March 17

MOTY: El Dandy vs Black Warrior, October 15
Runner-up: Not sure

MOTY: Atlantis vs Blue Panther, December 5
Runner-up: Cibernetico, December 30

I've never watched a great match from 1998. Parka vs Pierroth is just clips (with much less shown than clipped matches like Wagner vs Solitario or Rambo vs Villano from 1987), and I have not seen either of the Olimpico vs Halcon Negro matches.

MOTY: Fuerza Guerrera vs Mike Segura, November 4
Runner-up: El Hijo del Santo and Negro Casas vs Bestia Salvaje and Scorpio Jr, March 19

MOTY: El Hijo del Santo vs Blue Panther, April 9
Runner-up: Atlantis vs Villano III, March 17

MOTY: El Hijo del Santo vs La Parka, December 23

Runner-up: Not sure


Once we get into this century I'm pretty much stumped.

In Topic: El Satanico vs Sangre Chicana (EMLL 05/26/89)

18 April 2017 - 10:54 PM

I actually thought the third fall felt like it needed a big explosion that never happened. There was that cool moment when Chicana was banging punches off Satanico as he covered up, and soon after they went back to doing spots that felt like they were from the first two falls. Same pacing, same intensity.


On the other hand, when I was trying to do top tens for each year with comprehensive TV from Mexico, this match ended up being a late cut for 1989. After this watch, it would make the list if I redid that.

In Topic: 1/29/1993 Rey Mysterio Jr., Super Calo and Winners vs. Psicosis, Heavy Metal,...

16 April 2017 - 05:49 PM



It does have a thread, just listed under the airdate. Looks like most people who watched both were more into the rematch.


The linked video is to the rematch, by the way. Agree that it's one of Mexico's best matches of 1993.