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In Topic: Who's your Boy?!

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Kato Kung Lee: Panamanian martial arts expert who was neither a brilliant athlete nor a master technician, but none of that mattered because he was always right. I always side with Kato in his matches. Once he lost his mask he had the look of this little grumpy old man who'd seen everything there was to see and didn't have time for any shit from the rudos, even if they hadn't done anything yet. And he was right, because they were rudos, so they were going to do something that merited a backhand from the old man. Someone like Satanico could win a million titles and have the Diablo Velazco seal of approval, but he didn't have a black belt so to Kato he was nothing. Sometimes he'd chokeslam Negro Casas to hell, which was funny to see coming from a tiny guy like Kato. More people should have treated Casas that way.


El Supremo: Immobile bodybuilder type who the EMLL inexplicably used as a base for flashy young tecnicos in the early 1990s. It shouldn't have worked but he was actually okay at it. Luchawiki lists him as nearly 50 for that part of his career, but there's no way that's right. Got one of the most transparent bumps up to main event level ever in the last few months of 1992 so he could drop his mask to Pierroth. That was a fun feud, even if it was mostly on the back of Pierroth (Supremo was a better base than a brawler), and it probably would have been more fun if it weren't a sign of how bad things had become for the company in such a short amount of time. Supremo pretty much had three moves, the punch, the knee, and the suplex. Virtually disappeared after losing the mask, but not before growing a mustache and looking a bit like a movie star from the 1950s. He was popular enough to inspire an unrelated wrestler to take on the name of Supremo II. All three masks he won in his career are pretty cool: Robot R-2 and Lawrence de Arabia, because those are amazing gimmicks, and Guerrero Azteca because that match somehow ended up on Youtube, and if nothing else it's a pretty cool ringside look at a fairly big mask vs mask match from the 1980s outside of the typical venues.

In Topic: Looking for Mascara Sagrada vs Black Cat - mask vs Mask

01 September 2017 - 06:36 PM

Just a heads up, the match listed as the mask vs mask in the match discussion section of the site seems to be the mano a mano from the week before Triplemania instead of the big one.

In Topic: Entrance Music

12 August 2017 - 08:11 PM

I think Fame was the Macho Man's best entrance song.


It's So Easy for Heavy Metal and Pelo Suelto for Emilio Charles are some of my favorites. Pelo Suelto in particular isn't something I'd ever have thought of for entrance music but Emilio made it work.


I remember Rey Jr. coming out to A Little Respect. That was bad. Worse was whoever it was who used Dangerous by Roxette in Monterrey. Didn't Rick Martel have some hilariously unwrestling song in WCW?  I actually like a lot of the generic WCW songs though, like Psicosis' and Alex Wright's.

In Topic: Atlantis vs La Fiera (CMLL 04/03/92)

29 July 2017 - 09:36 PM

A couple of months ago, there was a thread about favorite title reigns. I said Atlantis' with the NWA middleweight championship was one of the best but lamented that all it meant TVwise was the big defense against Blue Panther and then just a bunch of failed challenges by Emilio. Shame on me, because I forgot about this match, featuring one of my main men going for Atlantis' belt at the biggest show of the year. Here we have Fiera in the rudo character that made him one of my main men, but we also have him in title match mode. The technical side of La Fiera isn't one that he showed off very often. Perhaps breaking in as a Sangre Chicana protege taught him that no one really pays to see that stuff, or maybe he just wasn't that proficient with his holds. Either way, he couldn't hide from it here, so instead they worked a good, honest hold for hold first fall, with spots like Fiera talking shit before the bell, Atlantis armdragging him off a handshake, and Fiera breaking a hold with a kick to the face thrown in to establish some heat between the two (as mentioned above, Fiera was filling in for Bestia Salvaje so they hadn't interacted before this). It takes guts to work an old school wrestling fall in front of a huge crowd waiting on the big mask vs mask main event, and not only did they work a terrific fall but the crowd stayed with them the whole way. Atlantis seems like a guy who sort of gets the backhanded compliment of being able to hang with legitimately great rudos, but this is a fall I'd use as an example of him taking someone up a level, as I've never seen Fiera have another extended technical exchange this good. Fiera for his part did a great job selling, especially on Atlantis' knucklelock counter and pumping headlock. Eventually they established that Atlantis was the better man on the mat, and when Fiera tried to up the pace he got burned.


I don't know if it was something special they were doing because this was a big show, but between falls they stayed in the arena instead of going to commercial, which gave us a great shot of a disgusted Fiera shaking his head in disbelief about how the first fall ended. It was a wonderful bit of acting, especially as he had no one to play off for it (for some reason, Pierroth didn't come out to second him until after the second fall). What a dedicated performer. The second fall was back and forth and this time it was Fiera who scored with the big dive, knocking Atlantis out on the arena floor and giving a half smug, half exhausted pose when he was the only one to make it back to the ring ahead of the count. Outside, Atlantis' arm was clearly messed up from the dive, an ominous lead in to the deciding fall.


Unfortunately, although they did use the arm to create some danger for Atlantis' reign, they did it in the least exciting way possible. Fiera worked on the arm the way he would have in the first fall of a mano a mano, slowly and with no science or nearfalls. The worst was when Atlantis was making a comeback and Fiera caught him with a desperate foul, but instead of going for the pin he just loosely applied a cangrejo, which Atlantis escaped without a fight. I liked when Panther started tearing at Hijo del Santo's arm in their match from April 2000, so it wasn't the armwork that was the problem, it was how dull it was and how the pace fell back from where it had been in the second and even the first fall. And the win came out of nowhere. Not in the sense that Atlantis got it suddenly and surprisingly, but that you can usually tell when they're building up to the finish, and here I couldn't. I don't know. It was a good match, really good and maybe even great for the first two falls, but the fall that should be the most thrilling of all was the most boring. The Kahoz match was better, even though it was a lesser version of Fiera against a lesser opponent than the one he had here. The one saving grace that the third fall had was that afterward I was annoyed how they weren't even bothering to switch to a shot of the beaten Fiera, before finally he got up, sarcastically clapped for Atlantis' effort, and then told him to go fuck himself. Truly a legend of the sport.

In Topic: La Fiera vs Kahoz (CMLL 7/9/1996)

26 July 2017 - 11:36 PM

I've never found a way to accept how Fiera changed after returning to the tecnico side in '93. He spent 1992 fouling and chainwhipping the good guys, and then all of a sudden that violent side just disappeared. You'd think he could at least put the fear of death in his old rudo buddies when making his comebacks against them, but it didn't really happen that way. This is decisively NOT a match that challenges that perception of him, but what it does do is show how effective his approach to working tecnico could be.


He spent most of the first two falls selling. Some of it was a bit hammy, like when he tried to jog it off and collapsed, but it was clear that Fiera was in serious trouble so in the end it worked. Well, that in conjunction with the blood. When you spill so much blood that you're wiping it out of your eyes between falls, that goes a long way towards making it look like it's going to be a hell of a time trying to survive. Kahoz has always been one of my picks for most generic wrestler--and that's with his mask, here he didn't even have that--but he really gave it to Fiera here. He started off a bit methodical and got more vicious the longer the match went on and the closer Fiera came to the end. He even got some good sneers in on the ringside fans. Maybe losing the mask actually helped. Having one of the great bumpers taking his stuff made it all the better.


There was a typically CMLL-ish bit of controversy when, after Fiera tied the match with his spinkick and his still beautiful frogsplash, he collapsed in the corner and the doctor came over to see if the bloodloss was too much for him to be able to continue. Kahoz was ready to jump right back on him, but the referee held him back while the doctor inspected the cut, and in the end the doc just wiped the blood off and gave them the okay to keep going. If I were Kahoz I'd have thrown a fit over that, and sure enough in short order he was busted open too. Things were going great, with Fiera getting him right in the head with a tope and Kahoz bumping big off it, but not long after that came the finish. I really think that's what kept this from being a genuinely great match. It was a bit too soon, so it didn't feel like they'd really given all they had to give, but more than that it was just a terrible finish. Picking the guy up at two and then immediately getting pinned is always awful. I'm sure it was clever the first time someone did it, but every time since then it's just been a face saving copout. But most of all I just can't buy Fiera needing mercy to beat a guy like Kahoz. Fiera was a better wrestler, plain and simple. Hell, go back four years and he'd have pinned the man with one foot. Even with the beating, the selling, and the blood, Kahoz actually winning could never happen. There's no way Fiera had to steal one like that. Kahoz did dick all after this, so it's not like he needed the protecting, and he even had an out with the way the doctor handled things between falls.


This was still a hell of a job by both guys. Fiera's one of my favorites, but I'd never have thought he could have a match this good this late in his career against an opponent the caliber of Kahoz. And they did all this at Arena Coliseo, not exactly known for its brutal wager matches by this point in time. I seriously can't think of a better Arena Coliseo apuestas match, although I'm sure I'm forgetting something.