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rzombie1988

Member Since 24 Jul 2008
Offline Last Active Sep 19 2017 08:49 AM
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In Topic: Bobby Heenan RIP

19 September 2017 - 08:39 AM

Why are you fighting this fight in this thread? Stop. "Who cares what a homophobic asshole thinks?" does not equal "Homophobic assholes have no right to free speech."

 

Either way, this is a thread about Bobby Heenan's life and legacy, not speech and how we handle disagreement. Take it to feedback if you feel the need to continue this.

I see multiple people discussing here, I don't see just one person. So let's not try to scapegoat people here.

 

As I've been saying, if you give someone enough time, you will find something they don't agree with. It turns out that everyone is human and has flaws. Warrior has made some comments people don't like. Heenan took part in a group bullying and public shaming campaign. Two wrong's don't equal a right and in the end, everyone has flaws, but that's being human.


In Topic: Bobby Heenan RIP

19 September 2017 - 08:25 AM

 

 

Warrior called Herman dishonest while mocking him for wearing a colostomy bag. Your opinion on someone's character means nothing if people don't believe you yourself are a person of good character. The personal nature of his comments completely invalidated any legit opinion he expressed.

Well I know for sure Heenan never mocked Warrior in any way, nor took any part in a DVD that solely meant to shame someone for cash, nor attacked the guy in his own interviews:

 

Are we saying that group bullying and public shaming is okay? Sounds to me like Heenan doesn't deserve the right to speak either.

 

This is what happens when you start trying to take down people you don't agree with. Eventually, the arrow will turn to you and it will be your turn to get taken down.

 

 

Free speech has consequences. Actions have consequences. The consequences of Warrior being unprofessional to Heenan lead to him being mocked. Heenan's consequence for the mocking was that Warrior had bad things to say about him even when no one else did.

 

The consequence of you pulling this particular shit in the Bobby Heenan RIP thread of all places is that I am going into my settings and putting you on my ignore list and that I am suggesting every single other person on this board does the same (up by your name, then Manage Ignore Pref). 

 

So you've got the right to speak. I've got the right not to listen. So does everyone else.

 

So what will be the consequences for Heenan then? He did take part in group shaming, harassment and group bullying for cash. Or are we just going to let that go? I'm all for rules and laws, but I expect them to apply equally to everyone. Heenan was no saint. Warrior was no saint. They were both just human like the rest of us.

 

It sounds to me like the rest of it is a "you problem". Again, keep trying to shun and silence people you don't agree with. You'll fall by your own sword in time, because not everyone will agree with you on everything.

 

I'm not going to be blocking you though. This is a discussion forum and if you can't handle people who think differently than you do, I don't know why you are here.


In Topic: Bobby Heenan RIP

19 September 2017 - 08:06 AM

Warrior called Herman dishonest while mocking him for wearing a colostomy bag. Your opinion on someone's character means nothing if people don't believe you yourself are a person of good character. The personal nature of his comments completely invalidated any legit opinion he expressed.

Well I know for sure Heenan never mocked Warrior in any way, nor took any part in a DVD that solely meant to shame someone for cash, nor attacked the guy in his own interviews:

 

Are we saying that group bullying and public shaming is okay? Sounds to me like Heenan doesn't deserve the right to speak either.

 

This is what happens when you start trying to take down people you don't agree with. Eventually, the arrow will turn to you and it will be your turn to get taken down. If "he can't talk because he has views I don't agree with" is the standard, then in the end, no one will be able to talk if you want to be fair. It turns out that everyone is human, everyone says things that not everyone agrees with and everyone is eligible to be deemed offensive at times.


In Topic: Bobby Heenan RIP

19 September 2017 - 08:05 AM

 

So because he has views you don't agree with he doesn't deserve the right to his freedom of speech?

 

This is one of the most tone-deaf things I've seen here, in the most inopportune moment. Know when to pick your battles.

 

I'm definitely going to pick the "people who don't agree with me have no right to speak" battle.


In Topic: Bobby Heenan RIP

19 September 2017 - 08:03 AM


 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never read one negative comment about him personally.
 
 

Warrior didn't like him and said he was a trouble maker.
 
I know someone's gonna say "but it's the Ultimate Warrior", but I think the Warrior is a lot smarter than what people give him credit for. He got in, got big, stood up to Vince, got out of wrestling and got Vince to praise him in the end.
Ah, fuck Ultimate Warrior. Like anyone should care about what a Fucking homophobic dummy has to say.

 

So because he has views you don't agree with he doesn't deserve the right to his freedom of speech?

 

 

What a ridiculous strawman. No one said he had no right to his freedom of speech. Just that others have a right to not give a fuck about him and his opinions because of his views.

 

You can try to claim strawman all you want, but you are saying "because I don't agree with his views, his views mean nothing and he can't speak".

 

What you will eventually find out is that no one's going to agree with you on everything and you will soon be hanging from the same rope you want to hang others from.