Jul 18 2011, 09:18 PM
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I think they definitely stuck the landing tonight. I didn't see that happening.
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Jul 20 2011, 03:29 PM
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I think you have to ask yourself one question about on-air Authority figure HHH and then you'll know if it will work or not.
A heel/face punks out Authority figure HHH on the opening of Raw. Think Austin with the beer truck. How does HHH respond: 1. He shows up with a neck brace next week to sell what happened to him. 2. He misses a few weeks of television to sell the attack, maybe does a vintage where he talks about it. 3. He comes out on the next episode of Raw, pummels them mercilessly then kick, WHAM, PEDIGREE. 4. Before that episode of Raw, KICK, WHAM, PEDIGREE. 5. This scenario would never happen because no one would dare mess with HHH because he's such a bad ass. 6. This scenario would never happen because HHH would outsmart them before they attacked him. 7. HHH fights them off and Pedigrees them. 8. HHH shows up next week, a little battered but okay and puts the face/heel in a match that is intentionally stacked against them. If you answered with roughly 5 of those answers, it won't work. The problem I see here is that if HHH is a face, you'll have a heel like Punk. HHH will get behind every face and stack the deck in their favor and the face will ultimately fail. Rinse, repeat until HHH has to come out of retirement and ultimately beat the heel. Similar way in reverse to the face. I have no faith that this won't happen. I can see everyone under him looking impotent until HHH saves the day. I have roughly a decade of television to back that theory up. |
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Jul 20 2011, 03:46 PM
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I think you have to ask yourself one question about on-air Authority figure HHH and then you'll know if it will work or not. A heel/face punks out Authority figure HHH on the opening of Raw. Think Austin with the beer truck. How does HHH respond: 1. He shows up with a neck brace next week to sell what happened to him. 2. He misses a few weeks of television to sell the attack, maybe does a vintage where he talks about it. Anyone see Trip doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgbQYAdtYUc Then two weeks later, rather than the pedigree, stooges this far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucc3n6d3SA It's not just that Vince was willing to let Stone Cold kick the shit out of him in the hospital, or that he was willing to piss his own pants... it's _how_ Vince sells for all that. Look at Vince in that second one "crying" though all of Austin's build up to put over how scared he is. Even if Trip were willing to piss in his pants, does anyone think Trip is going to be able to pull off the acting to sell the whole thing? That's always been Trip's weakness as a character: his acting sucks. He'll hit his lines, the might be okay lines... but his deliver lacks the wrestling fake "believablity" factor that connects with fans to sell stuff like Stone Cold, Rock, Foley and Mr. McMahon at their best. Trip's comedy, yelling and anger have always seemed forced. So even if he's not hitting the Pedigee, he's just not going to be able to pull of the full ranges of the role. John |
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Hollinger. HHH taking over from Vince on RAW Jul 18 2011, 09:18 PM
Loss Seriously ... what was that? Jul 18 2011, 09:21 PM
Strummer very disappointing ending angle. I won't say t... Jul 18 2011, 09:22 PM
rovert How far will the share price drop? Jul 18 2011, 09:25 PM
Strummer Meltzer is hinting that the final angle was kind o... Jul 18 2011, 09:25 PM
MJH For something that no one was believing, I thought... Jul 18 2011, 09:28 PM
KrisZ http://www.midwestwrestling.com/images6/rpusblt.jp... Jul 18 2011, 09:34 PM
Loss I didn't get HHH shoot taking over from that D... Jul 18 2011, 09:35 PM
Strummer hell I have to keep reading it over again. At firs... Jul 18 2011, 09:42 PM
Dooley After the rave reactions the PPV got, I actually w... Jul 18 2011, 09:47 PM
Strummer man the ending angle is getting real polarized rea... Jul 18 2011, 09:50 PM
KrisZ The great Darren Rovell of CNBC just posted this o... Jul 18 2011, 09:58 PM
Boondocks Kernoodle He also said that about the exploding limo angle.
... Jul 18 2011, 10:01 PM
KrisZ Yeah and in that angle, WWE even put his name out ... Jul 18 2011, 10:02 PM
CodySave Really my biggest issue with the whole episode ton... Jul 18 2011, 10:07 PM
Johnny Sorrow Really my biggest issue with the whole episode ton... Jul 19 2011, 01:06 AM
Strummer Todd Martin liked the final angle! Jul 18 2011, 10:13 PM
Bix If Dave ends up being wrong about the Vince/HHH th... Jul 18 2011, 10:55 PM
Sean Liska If Dave ends up being wrong about the Vince/HHH th... Jul 18 2011, 11:20 PM
Bix If Dave ends up being wrong about the Vince/HHH th... Jul 18 2011, 11:59 PM
Slickster If Dave didn't mean to imply it meant the tran... Jul 19 2011, 12:30 AM
Bix If Dave didn't mean to imply it meant the tran... Jul 19 2011, 09:38 AM
goodhelmet We'll find out in the Meltzer thread. Why aren... Jul 18 2011, 11:06 PM
sek69 I kind of saw it as HHH taking over the on screen ... Jul 18 2011, 11:15 PM
NintendoLogic X-Pac tweeted that the Hunter taking over part is ... Jul 18 2011, 11:33 PM
Sean Liska X-Pac tweeted that the Hunter taking over part is ... Jul 18 2011, 11:35 PM
jdw That's the WWE we know and love.
John Jul 19 2011, 12:16 AM
smkelly Agreed. Being a hardcore fan like Alvarez, I love ... Jul 19 2011, 01:37 AM
Bix If Dave ends up being wrong about the Vince/HHH th... Jul 19 2011, 01:29 PM
smkelly [quote name='smkelly' post='5477120' date='Jul 19 ... Jul 19 2011, 02:23 PM
Loss In a weird way, I thought the HHH/Vince segment wa... Jul 19 2011, 09:41 AM
Matt D This is pessimistic. I feel like I know Hunter. Ob... Jul 19 2011, 10:00 AM
Hollinger. I guess my assumption is that Trips will be trying... Jul 19 2011, 10:05 AM
Loss It's possible. All things are possible. HHH ma... Jul 19 2011, 10:12 AM
Boondocks Kernoodle Dave said on Observer Radio that this is just an a... Jul 19 2011, 10:24 AM
jdw I don't think this is inside baseball at all.
... Jul 19 2011, 11:07 AM
sek69 This is what I was afraid of when watching Raw, H ... Jul 19 2011, 11:35 AM
jdw I would also dispute the idea that he's not as... Jul 19 2011, 02:26 PM
Matt D
My thought would be to pop in that Mania again. ... Jul 19 2011, 03:22 PM
jdw
My thought would be to pop in that Mania again. ... Jul 19 2011, 04:48 PM
rovert The guys on the Formerly Creative podcast were pre... Jul 19 2011, 11:40 AM
Matt D Obviously Trips needs to cut his hair. Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM
sek69 Is Corporate Hunter coming out to his wrestling th... Jul 19 2011, 11:51 AM
MikeCampbell Is Corporate Hunter coming out to his wrestling th... Jul 19 2011, 12:37 PM
Loss If HHH is good in this role, I'll be able to b... Jul 19 2011, 11:52 AM
shawmic Alvarez with the huge scoop today:
-- Vince will ... Jul 19 2011, 01:00 PM
Hollinger. I've always figured that crap was Bryan. Jul 19 2011, 01:32 PM
Bix Bryan has sworn to me that it's Dave, to the p... Jul 19 2011, 01:39 PM
Hollinger. True. Probably a consequence of Dave not knowing h... Jul 19 2011, 01:45 PM
Hollinger. Dave was amazing before MMA became profitable. Jul 19 2011, 02:26 PM
Loss It is true that 2002-2006 is the second lowest per... Jul 19 2011, 03:35 PM
Strummer It is true that 2002-2006 is the second lowest per... Jul 19 2011, 06:45 PM
smkelly It is easy to argue that HHH did turn people away ... Jul 19 2011, 04:07 PM
jdw It is easy to argue that HHH did turn people away ... Jul 19 2011, 05:07 PM
Paul Jacobi While it can't be argued that WWE could have b... Jul 19 2011, 05:53 PM
Loss I think the impact of HHH having influence has bee... Jul 19 2011, 06:12 PM
Paul Jacobi I think the impact of HHH having influence has bee... Jul 19 2011, 06:41 PM
Loss Are you saying that Jericho, Benoit and Angle did ... Jul 19 2011, 06:51 PM
Paul Jacobi Are you saying that Jericho, Benoit and Angle did ... Jul 19 2011, 07:09 PM
Sean Liska You can make the points you want about newer guys ... Jul 19 2011, 09:17 PM
Loss Also what about all the OVW guys that did well the... Jul 19 2011, 06:55 PM
Paul Jacobi Also what about all the OVW guys that did well the... Jul 19 2011, 07:16 PM
Strummer I do agree that there has been a generational shif... Jul 19 2011, 07:13 PM
Log Also what about all the OVW guys that did well the... Jul 19 2011, 07:13 PM
Loss You have an excuse for everyone, so this is a wast... Jul 19 2011, 07:31 PM
Paul Jacobi You have an excuse for everyone, so this is a wast... Jul 19 2011, 07:42 PM
Loss I do agree that there has been a generational shif... Jul 19 2011, 07:33 PM
Paul Jacobi Also, from a February issue of the Observer, the a... Jul 19 2011, 07:34 PM
jdw Also, from a February issue of the Observer, the a... Jul 20 2011, 11:00 AM
Loss WWE has been a very well run business. WWE even ha... Jul 19 2011, 07:44 PM
Paul Jacobi I thought Triple H in '10 did a good job in ge... Jul 19 2011, 07:58 PM
Loss It's not a matter of having an excuse for ever... Jul 19 2011, 08:01 PM
Loss Anyway, wrestling is way more fun in 1992 than it ... Jul 19 2011, 08:17 PM
Dr. Reverend Victator Anyway, wrestling is way more fun in 1992 than it ... Jul 19 2011, 09:54 PM
Paul Jacobi I have stated numerous times he has been counter p... Jul 19 2011, 08:19 PM
Matt D Wait, wait, wait...
Isn't the WHOLE start/sto... Jul 19 2011, 09:40 PM
sek69 Wait, wait, wait...
Isn't the WHOLE start/sto... Jul 19 2011, 11:43 PM
Bob Morris The pushes of Angle and Jericho in 2000 in which W... Jul 19 2011, 10:02 PM
cm funk My guess is they're just using HHH to write Vi... Jul 19 2011, 10:51 PM
Johnny Sorrow Why should he cut his hair? I've read that a f... Jul 19 2011, 11:40 PM
Log He was also apparently far less hard on the announ... Jul 20 2011, 06:06 AM
S.L.L.
Putting aside what was reported at the time (whi... Jul 20 2011, 09:04 AM
Paul Jacobi
Putting aside what was reported at the time (whi... Jul 20 2011, 03:33 PM
S.L.L. Incidentally, a lot of the bad booking habits WWE ... Jul 20 2011, 09:22 AM
Matt D I feel like we didn't get a huge swath of Post... Jul 20 2011, 11:37 AM
Ditch I feel like we didn't get a huge swath of Post... Jul 20 2011, 12:22 PM
rovert I feel like we didn't get a huge swath of Post... Jul 20 2011, 12:30 PM
Jingus Jacobi did one hell of a defense for HHH here. I ... Jul 20 2011, 01:36 PM
Ditch WWF NY was a tax write-off because all the money t... Jul 20 2011, 02:07 PM
Paul Jacobi WWF NY was a tax write-off because all the money t... Jul 20 2011, 03:35 PM
Dr. Reverend Victator There is also that Vince was just an old announcer... Jul 20 2011, 04:11 PM
jdw There is also that Vince was just an old announcer... Jul 20 2011, 04:42 PM
Dr. Reverend Victator Sounds like the best answer is moving away from th... Jul 20 2011, 05:05 PM
jdw I like how Dave's chart of Domestic B-Show Buy... Jul 20 2011, 06:55 PM
jdw So week 2 of Trip Takes Over Raw. How is this com... Jul 26 2011, 11:34 AM
Boondocks Kernoodle I sense they're trying to do a bit of the ... Jul 26 2011, 03:38 PM
Loss I would like to point out that:
(1) Vince McMahon... Aug 2 2011, 08:40 AM
jdw I think that was my earlier stated concern: Trip i... Aug 2 2011, 08:53 AM![]() ![]() |
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