Loss Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 A heel modeled after Kanye West would get a lot of heat, but it would also require some pretty creative booking. I'm afraid they'd just spoof Kanye by having someone interrupt Brie Bella getting an award at the Slammys or something. And I say that as someone who thinks Kanye is just terribly misunderstood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I still believe there is a lot of money in the sensational feminist gimmick. Hassan at one point wasn't saying anything extreme and was talking about how he just wants to live in America and how things changed after 9/11 and how it wasn't fare. He was one of WWE's biggest heels at the time. I think the same type of heat would be generated by this feminist character I have in mind. Again this character wouldn't say ' I HATE MEN!' or be anywhere in the vein of the Spice Girls 'Girl Power'. Instead she will be the type who will tell Daniel Bryan not to say 'hello' to her as its sexual harrasment and try to work to get him fired over it. She will be the type who while having a plesant coversation with Darren Young will get on her soap box if he calls her 'man' or 'dude'. She will have op-eds on WWE.com about how men aren't allowed to approach her unless she gives the go ahead, etc. The gimmick would be extrememly annoying. Who is the face in all of this? Someone like Brie Bella. While the extreme feminist is trying to impose her view and ways in the WWE- Brie Bella comes out to talk rationally. Brie would champion things such as "saying hello isn't a bad thing", etc. etc. This character can REALLY tap into misogyny, misandry, gynocentricism, benevolent sexism, etc. and would begin a lot of social discussion with the audience as people would be split on her. The few that will cheer her will be drowned out by the millions who boo her. I can't believe its 2014 and WWE hasn't done a crazy feminist gimmick. I honestly think you could use a male in the role as an over the top heel feminist character and it would get crazy heat. EDIT: I hadn't read the rest of the thread when I posted and since this was kind of mentioned before, I will expand a little bit. A male can do and say all of those things fakeplastictrees mentioned. But he could be friends with the divas because he "better understands them." He can console them after tough losses etc. BUT he's actually insincere and just trying to get closer to the divas so he can hook up with them. Who wouldn't want to watch that guy get punched in the face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 When I first saw the title of this thread my brain immediately went "POLICE OFFICER." Or Former Police Officer. I think it would definitely work for all the most obvious reasons. And it is WWE so I feel like Vince has at least thought about it. He gets destroyed by babyface Mark Henry at Mania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 When your audience is essentially the entire world, it's a little harder to find villains who an overwhelming majority of people can invest themselves in booing. So that mind hinder dreams of the WWE bringing in a Neighborhood Watch heel or a SJW or something that most of the audience may not care about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I would like to see the heel I'm talking about call out a fat teenager in a black hoodie carrying a Nintendo DS. Maybe a pair of glasses on. And literally kick the crap out of him. Then grab the mic and as he's laying in stomps saying shit like the following as each stomp connects: "Your status updates don't mean anything!" "No one cares about your twitter account kid!" "Your video games are lame!" And as he's writhing around, crying on the floor, the heel drops an elbow on him. Grabs the DS and smashes it over his head. "Your parents don't love you!" "No one could love you because you're worthless!" "Your whole generation is WORTHLESS!" "You should be OUT THERE! In the sunshine. You fat. Worthless. GEEK" ------- Fast forward a week and he's sticking another nerd kid's head down the toilet and flushing it. Takes a twenty dollar bill from out of the kid's pocket. "What's this then kid? You been saving up for another one of your LAME video games?" He rips up the twenty dollar bill. Then sticks the kids head down the toilet again. I cannot believe a modern audience would cheer that. I would. And I think a lot of the over 40s that watch WWE would too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well good. Maybe see how far you can push the character and still have them cheer. He makes one of the geek kids into a slave has them shine his boots. He spits on them. He drives one of them to the verge of suicide. Let's see how far the over 40s go in how much they want to cheer this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well good. Maybe see how far you can push the character and still have them cheer. He makes one of the geek kids into a slave has them shine his boots. He spits on them. He drives one of them to the verge of suicide. Let's see how far the over 40s go in how much they want to cheer this guy. That's when I'd stop cheering him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Maybe he also needs a worm sidekick. A guy who clearly if he wasn't hiding behind this bully would get his ass kicked. Every bully needs one of those. Maybe Jimmy Hart / Grand Wizard build. The main heel would be a bit like a toned down Garston out of Beauty and the Beast. The worm sidekick would have to have an annoying laugh and secretly make sure things are just right for the main heel. Could even do a very slight riff on Mr. Perfect character ... only let's say the main heel throws a dart or something and he misses, but when he's not looking the sidekick moves it to the bullseye, or some shit like that. AND gets the geek kid minions to nervously cheer for him. Progressively darker as the angle continues. Eventually it transpires that he's even got them wiping his arse for him. And then eventually one of the generic WWE babyfaces has to come out as the defender of geeks everywhere. Maybe even get a cameo from one of the Big Bang Theory actors or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Something Punk said on Cabana's show gave some context to this. The current WWE payoff structure actively discourages getting too much heat. CM Punk mentioned that his paycheck cut in half when he turned heel. I do think there are ways to alleviate this, and the obvious solution would be to give the heel the lion's share of the payoff since it's acknowledged that he is sacrificing merchandise sales to build the match. By that logic, you make your merchandise cash cows your top babyfaces and your great all-around workers and promos who perhaps aren't as marketable your top heels. Everyone wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Here's another heel: "The Vegetarian" Not only is he always awkward when ordering meals and things, he goes out of his way to stop others eating meat. Picture the old APA hanging around and about to tuck into a hot dog each. The vegetarian pops in and takes their hot dogs from them. His finisher could be called "Sustainable development". We aren't pitching babyfaces, Parv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Here's another heel: "The Vegetarian" Not only is he always awkward when ordering meals and things, he goes out of his way to stop others eating meat. Not sure we can get The Smiths to let the WWE use "Meat is Murder" as theme music. If we're booking heels based on types of people who annoy us... Then watch out for my idea proposal about a "Careless driver" gimmick (he doesn't signal when changing lanes!) or a guy whose gimmick is that he doesn't know anything about the WWE but he's there for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButchReedMark Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 To be honest, in WWE, the only gimmick I can see that wouldn't be getting cheered after a while for being done well or people getting into the spots is a Paedophile gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 You get a Canadian to whine about being screwed by the company... oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Vince and Kane start looking everywhere for a new GM. They get called to a business meeting but when they show up to the site the GPS was telling them it's a church. They go inside and Big E. Is preaching with the choir backing him up on everything. He breaks out in song and a light shines down on Vince. He says "The Band!" And then does several back flips down the aisle. After this Vince is officially converted by A New Day and every shareholder meeting question is littered with " we are on a mission from god" references to simple questions. A New Day holds a revival every week on Raw including faith healing and an hour minimum of live gospel music. After TBN picks up the show they bring in the crazed lady with the makeup as the color commentator. Come Mania time Vince shows up during a Big E. Sermon, throws the bible on the ground and says the band is getting back together. Cue NWO music. Nash, Hall and Hogan come out in blackface for a parody angle. All core constituencies and shareholders are annoyed, stock plummets, Raw is cancelled, Network cancellations sore. TNA survives the collapse of wrestling due to Vince - the greatest heel swan song of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachchaos Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Bring Kenny King in and book him like Loss' Kanye idea. Bring Bieber in and book him like Parv's anti-nerd heel. That would actually make a shit-ton of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Here's another heel: "The Vegetarian" Not only is he always awkward when ordering meals and things, he goes out of his way to stop others eating meat. Picture the old APA hanging around and about to tuck into a hot dog each. The vegetarian pops in and takes their hot dogs from them. His finisher could be called "Sustainable development". I know you don't watch modern WWE so you probably don't know that Daniel Bryan worked being a vegan into his heel character during his WHC run on Smackdown in early 2012 and it was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Something Punk said on Cabana's show gave some context to this. The current WWE payoff structure actively discourages getting too much heat. CM Punk mentioned that his paycheck cut in half when he turned heel. I do think there are ways to alleviate this, and the obvious solution would be to give the heel the lion's share of the payoff since it's acknowledged that he is sacrificing merchandise sales to build the match. By that logic, you make your merchandise cash cows your top babyfaces and your great all-around workers and promos who perhaps aren't as marketable your top heels. Everyone wins. Is the fact this sounds so simple why they haven't tried it or something similar? You'd think with no one who sells any merch wanting to go heel that they'd look for a way to otherwise incentivize them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steenalized Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Given that information, the paychecks alone are reason enough for Cena to never want to turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherspammer Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Batista already did the "Kanye interrupting somebody during an awards show" bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Whenever I read stuff like this I always remember Bobby Heenan's quote about how twisted the world is and people expecting to tune in to watch Brutus Beefcake destroy Ron Bass' cowboy hat, or something to that effect. So much shit has hit the fan in terms of world events for the last decade plus, that it's too big for pro wrestling to even quantify and bring down to that level. And when WWE tried the blowback was immense (the "terrorists" attacking Undertaker after the London bombing). Even before that when Slaughter did the turncoat angle, it's amazing nobody was at least attacked publicly for it (in a physical sense, the critics sharpened up the knives and rightly so for that one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 inspired by the former WWE writer mentioning an idea to turn Tatanka into an evil Indian Casino owner... Perhaps a more dedicated version of the "selling out your heritage" thing. Like a Native American heel who now wears Redskin apparel. Granted they kinda toe the line with that concept only to see it kinda flop or get halted abruptly. Like Kerwin White. Also the agents tendencies to tell racist jokes might hinder such an idea in the WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 To add to what Loss said, about discentives to getting heat, which Dylan also alluded to, I can't see WWE ever allowing a dark bullying angle like the one Parv proposed somewhat tongue in cheek due to all their corporate sponsors and anti-bullying allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 So what we're saying is WWE is now too corporate, too sponsored, too sanitized to actually have proper heels who are disliked by fans? If that's what we're saying then it might be time to transition to a different model. Maybe one based on localities and regionality like a lot of sports? (Home and Away fans) Or a model of everyone kind of getting cheered but some guys REALLY getting cheered like in Japan. Because if heels can't get heat there is literally no reason to have heels at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Wiz Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 So what we're saying is WWE is now too corporate, too sponsored, too sanitized to actually have proper heels who are disliked by fans? If that's what we're saying then it might be time to transition to a different model. Maybe one based on localities and regionality like a lot of sports? (Home and Away fans) Or a model of everyone kind of getting cheered but some guys REALLY getting cheered like in Japan. Because if heels can't get heat there is literally no reason to have heels at all. Yes. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 How about a heel that insists on a DQ whenever he's punched and who campaigns for refs to start enforcing the rules more strictly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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