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UFC 203: Because CM Punk is finally fighting


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#21 gingears

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 01:07 AM

All fixed.

#22 Johnny Sorrow

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 01:21 AM

.The "Haw Haw! Fuck you Punk" shit I've seen online so comes off as a bunch of losers with nothing to offer mocking someone who actually tried something. It's terrible.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 01:38 AM

.The "Haw Haw! Fuck you Punk" shit I've seen online so comes off as a bunch of losers with nothing to offer mocking someone who actually tried something. It's terrible.


He wanted to fight. He did. Win or lose, 99.9999999% of the population can't say that. That's ballsy for someone who really isn't a natural athlete. I respect him.

And lol at the HHH reaction, a guy who probably has never been in a "real" fight in his life

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 02:06 AM

I'm sure plenty of people would be have no problem accepting millions to get beat up for 2 minutes if given the opportunity. It's fair to give him credit for trying, but there are innumerable no-name fighters at small gyms who will never come close to the UFC that could have destroyed Punk. That's where the mockery comes from.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 02:23 AM

That's a strawman argument. "Plenty of people would accept millions of dollars to get knocked out" is true, but how many of those people would actually put forth the effort into training for that position? He's not just some bum they pulled off the street, he actually did train to do this, trained hard and wanted to win. He didn't just accept a tough man contest payday to buy a sandwich.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 02:24 AM

I'm sure plenty of people would be have no problem accepting millions to get beat up for 2 minutes if given the opportunity. It's fair to give him credit for trying, but there are innumerable no-name fighters at small gyms who will never come close to the UFC that could have destroyed Punk. That's where the mockery comes from.

Yea this "you couldn't have done it!" talk ignores that Punk got paid a very nice sum of money. He could have easily gone the same route as every fighter starting out and fought some other guy with no fight experience as an amateur but he didn't because the UFC offered him a big sum of money to fight there instead. Give that same UFC offer to the "99.9999999% of the population" who have no experience fighting and I'm pretty sure they would also take the money to get embarrassed on a PPV.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 02:31 AM

.The "Haw Haw! Fuck you Punk" shit I've seen online so comes off as a bunch of losers with nothing to offer mocking someone who actually tried something. It's terrible.


He wanted to fight. He did. Win or lose, 99.9999999% of the population can't say that. That's ballsy for someone who really isn't a natural athlete. I respect him.
And lol at the HHH reaction, a guy who probably has never been in a "real" fight in his life
what did HHH say?

#28 El-P

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 04:33 AM

Punk told HHH and Vince to shove it and got a nice sum of money to realize another of his dream. More power to him. What did people expect ? He's 37, was never a great athlete, has never fought before. Of course he got slaughtered. He's Takada in Pride. The only question is, did he draw ? The rest, like I said, more power to him.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 06:31 AM

.The "Haw Haw! Fuck you Punk" shit I've seen online so comes off as a bunch of losers with nothing to offer mocking someone who actually tried something. It's terrible.

 

I would agree with you normally, if it was just about anybody other than Punk.  I would applaud anybody who had the courage to give up a high paying gig they hated, to follow their dreams.  But Punk took a shortcut.

 

Punk went from one high paying gig into another one.  I don't know how much he made for this fight, but I'm betting when you factor in base pay, sponsors, merchandise and PPV buys, he'll end up making a nice payday.  There are countless fighters out there who deserved that chance more than him. He had no business in the UFC, and it showed tonight.  This is a guy who trained his ass off, full time for a year, with an established camp - and he still got his ass kicked in under three minutes.  He basically could have spent the last year sitting on his sofa watching TV and eating Potato Chips, and the result really wouldn't have been that much different.  He might have lasted a minute less.

 

Granted, his name probably sold the PPV to a degree.  I will be very interested to see how much, when the numbers come out.  However, when it comes to using a "name" to sell a PPV, Punk was the first one to bitch when he was in WWE that guys like The Rock, and Undertaker (or part timers who weren't there day in day out) waltzed in for major paydays like Mania, over guys like him who he felt deserved it more.  How is The Rock using his celebrity to cash in at Mania any different than Punk using his to cash in for the UFC?  In both cases, guys who were more deserving, paid more dues and worked harder earned those spots.  In fact, as a fan of both sports, I have way less of an issue with guys like The Rock coming back for Mania than I do with Punk earning a shot at the UFC.  At least The Rock has experience as a wrestler.  As Punk showed last night, he is no fighter.

 

I think the biggest issue is that Punk can be a bit of a douchebag. There are countless stories about him being rude and dismissive with fans and a jerk with his co-workers. Punk admitted himself in his podcast interview with Colt Cabana that he was abrasive and hard to work with at times. (I wish I had a link to the story Edge and Jericho told on Jericho's podcast about Punk being a dick to them at a house show, it was hysterical.)  People like to see jerks get their asses kicked.  It's human nature.

 

It takes balls to fight, I'll give him that.  But really, that fight was an embarrassment for everybody involved, and I think people are going to be laughing at Punk for this for quite some time.  If he really wants to bounce back, he needs to get on some semi-pro shows and fight guys at his level.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 06:50 AM

.The "Haw Haw! Fuck you Punk" shit I've seen online so comes off as a bunch of losers with nothing to offer mocking someone who actually tried something. It's terrible.

 

You can say he tried something.  Not entirely wrong.  But the reason he "tried" it here is because Dana & co. saw a potential payday when absolutely nothing about his background, skills or potential suggested a remote possibility of anything more than what we got tonight.  If not for his name he'd be "trying" the exact same thing on a minor league level, albeit with the exact same outcome.  Not taking anything away from him as by all accounts he legitimately trained for the fight.  But let's not pat him on the back for some great accomplishment either.  A little perspective never hurts.  One might also "try" participating in a discussion without immediately resorting to referring to those in said discussion as losers, but hey, that might also require some gym time.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:02 AM

The thing also is this was a joke fight treated as a serious thing by some MMA media and the UFC. Glad Joe Rogan called it for what it was at the end, but it should have been said sooner. They treated CM Punk in a more serious fashion than they did James Toney, which is absurd and funny. 
 
Not to mention, Punk coming in as a millionaire pro wrestling star, acting like he wasn't given this privilege to jump in line, in front of thousands of actual real fighters from all over the world who struggle to make it to the UFC, and then making fun of said fighters for how little money they have in comparison to him, is a bad look. 
 
People online trying to do all wild comparisons in either direction, like bringing up Kazushi Sakuraba main eventing PRIDE shows or acting like Punk's some normal, every day guy that reached for the stars is silly as fuck. 


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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:06 AM

The main issue is that Punk is a hugely unlikable ass. Why are people dancing around that and talking about gym time and stuff like that? He's sort of OUR hugely unlikable ass, but that only takes him so far. 



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:09 AM

Had no real feelings about Punk going into MMA, until his refusal to shake Gall's hand stating "I'm not here to shake hands, I'm here to punch faces", at which point I though it'd be hilarious for him to get his arse handed to him

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:09 AM

The main issue is that Punk is a hugely unlikable ass. Why are people dancing around that and talking about gym time and stuff like that? He's sort of OUR hugely unlikable ass, but that only takes him so far. 

 

Ha. I am a fan but I still cringe at some of the stuff I read as a teenager on CM Punk's LiveJournal in the early to mid 2000's. 



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:14 AM

I guess my question to the group ( And not in a sarcastic way ) is who's spot did Punk take? Gall was 2-0 and 3-0 in amateur fights. Are there specific fighters that you can point to and say that they should have been in the octagon instead of Punk? My thought is that the trade off of Punk's celebrity to the card would offset putting in a good 3-1 fighter for Gall to fight. I had no problems with Punk being there but I think going forward (And Dana White has said this now that the fight is over) Punk needs to fight on the minor leagues and gain experience if he's serious about becoming a fighter.

Question: If Conner McGreggor was offered a lot of money by WWE to wrestle Apollo Crews would the same complaints be there about him not paying dues wrestling in ROH, PWG, etc...?

I had ZERO problems with Punk calling out The Rock only because the first comeback seemed fine and since it was in Miami it made sense. The second comeback felt forced, the fans weren't calling for a rematch, it was in NYC so you already knew what the crowd pulse would be although you could argue that the market was MUCH bigger, and I feel Punk had proven his worth by that point and could have been a much bigger force for WWE if they had chosen to fully get behind him.

At any rate I'm glad Punk's happy and in a better frame of mind.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:22 AM

The hate on Punk here and the joy people had at Punk's loss is really pathetic.

 

UFC made big money, Punk worked hard and achieved a dream. Win-win.

 

You may had even a star out of Gall.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:24 AM

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what Johnny Sorrow might've been trying to point out is that there is a certain portion of the internet that is still "butt hurt" that CM Punk left pro-wrestling and "quit on them." These fans are so eager to enjoy his failure last night that they see it as a personal victory (schadenfreude). 

 

Obviously, there are sensible people criticizing Punk too. I totally agree that Punk used his name to benefit himself and put himself in an undeserved position.  I also think he has every right to and that he shouldn't necessarily be criticized for using that advantage to land himself a big money deal. I look at it this way - people complain about teachers having summers off all the time. They complain about this despite the fact that they themselves could've been teachers, that they themselves chose *not* to be teachers, even knowing, from first grade, that teachers have summers off, that this vacation time is just part of the average teacher's yearly schedule. In Punk's case, you can say he didn't "pay his dues in UFC," but he *did* pay his dues in the world of sports/entertainment and he took a route that is and was open to everyone (in fact, it's not even that rare of a route if you look back at MMA history). He earned celebrity status first through hard work as a pro-wrestler. He may have cut in line, but that's because more people wanted to see him cut in line than wanted to see some guy with no name compete.

 

If you want summers off, go back to school, get your teaching license, get your master's degree, go seek a position as a teacher. If you want to get a huge pay day for your first UFC fight, go become a major star in pro-wrestling, go become known as one of the best self-promoters in sports-entertainment, sell a ton of merchandise, you'll get your pay day. 

 

If there's anything to criticize, it might be Dana White's willingness to tarnish his own league's standards by promoting what was not an evenly matched professional-level fight. To continue my analogy, don't blame teachers - blame the educational system that has maintained a 9-month school year despite an abundance of research that tells us we should have year-round school. 



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:25 AM

Hopefully the guy's mid-life crisis is over and he can start transitioning his fame and personal beliefs into youth drug prevention programs or something.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:26 AM

The hate on Punk here and the joy people had at Punk's loss is really pathetic.

 

UFC made big money, Punk worked hard and achieved a dream. Win-win.

 

Word. 

 

(but then again, all Punk wanted was to be a pro-wrestling star. He did it. Then all he wanted was to fight in UFC. He did it. Plus he probably fucked all the super attractive girls he came across. And he gave Vince & HHH the finger. Yeah. Haters be haters. I say more power to him.)



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:27 AM

Why is it pathetic though?

 

I like Punk, spent years buying ROH DVD's to watch his work, and think his feud with Jeff Hardy produced probably the best promo work I've seen of anyone in the WWE in the past eight years. Not coming in as a 'hater' or whatever. People can have nuanced opinions about people, entertainers, sports, etc. 

 

This was still a joke of a fight, and there are a dozen reasons to illustrate that. 






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