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#21 Mad Dog

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:31 PM

Are we also forgetting that Moolah brought ZERO positive qualities as a performer and set back women's wrestling in the U.S. to a point where it's only now recovering? She has zero good matches, zero good interviews, was tangentially involved in maybe one good angle (the Richter feud, where Lou Albano did 90% or more of the heel work). It would be a disgrace to name it after her even if she lived up to the WWE's grandmotherly presentation of her. It would be akin to naming the Palme d'or at Cannes after Herschell Gordon Lewis.

 

Especially when Mildred Burke was selling out arenas in her time. Women's wrestling was a joke for a long time because of Moolah.

 

I think what people are missing here is. If she was doing what some of those women have alleged. She wouldn't do that to everyone, that would be fucking stupid and endanger the scam. If some girl comes along with a family and a strong social support structure, you're going to treat them completely different than someone who is from a broken situation and has little they can do to you.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:58 PM

Yes. From a pure business and talent standpoint, honoring Moolah is akin to have a Vince Russo Booker Award.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 04:11 PM

 

 

 

I just don't understand hypocrisy from the fans and also Snickers who threaten to pull the sponsorship because of Moolah.

But will support a company run by Vince McMahon, who's done just as many/worst vile things in his life over the years.

 

Also the fact they willing to do business with Saudi Arabia is a bigger issue for woman than this Moolah battle royal. 

 

Well, there's that too indeed. Plus, I mean, Linda is a member of Trump's administration. So yeah. But that's entertainment consumption with a political correctness aspect. And yes, it is hypocrisy.

 

western  government ass lick the Saudi regime   and vince if  hardcore Right Winger  so he will kiss up to the Saudi's ala  trump did so did may  the uk leader    

 

 

Let's keep it Pro Wrestling Only.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 04:12 PM

 

Are we also forgetting that Moolah brought ZERO positive qualities as a performer and set back women's wrestling in the U.S. to a point where it's only now recovering? She has zero good matches, zero good interviews, was tangentially involved in maybe one good angle (the Richter feud, where Lou Albano did 90% or more of the heel work). It would be a disgrace to name it after her even if she lived up to the WWE's grandmotherly presentation of her. It would be akin to naming the Palme d'or at Cannes after Herschell Gordon Lewis.

 

Especially when Mildred Burke was selling out arenas in her time. Women's wrestling was a joke for a long time because of Moolah.

 

I think what people are missing here is. If she was doing what some of those women have alleged. She wouldn't do that to everyone, that would be fucking stupid and endanger the scam. If some girl comes along with a family and a strong social support structure, you're going to treat them completely different than someone who is from a broken situation and has little they can do to you.

 

 

This. If something didn't happen to everyone, it doesn't mean something didn't happen to anyone.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 05:49 PM

Still don't have an example of Sherri saying something negative about her



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:15 PM

I said weeks ago, that we can't find one notable female wrestler from the 60s and 70s says a lot about Moolah as a promoter and trainer. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:17 PM

 

The Moolah controversy always struck me as virtue signalling. Even if we are to assume all the bad things claimed about her are true and she did nothing good for anyone, it is far too late to get outraged about it when she's already been dead for a decade and her heinous acts happened 30-60 years ago. About the only tangible effect is making the Redditors who complained to Snickers about it feel good about themselves.

 

I'd say stopping a very large, publicly-traded company from honoring her on a show viewed by millions of people is a pretty tangible effect.

 

It stops them from convincing a bunch of people who don't know any better (most of their viewership) that she was some trailblazing saint.

 

Horse is outta the barn on that. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:29 PM

I certainly feel better.

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 03:36 PM

Are we also forgetting that Moolah brought ZERO positive qualities as a performer and set back women's wrestling in the U.S. to a point where it's only now recovering? She has zero good matches, zero good interviews, was tangentially involved in maybe one good angle (the Richter feud, where Lou Albano did 90% or more of the heel work). It would be a disgrace to name it after her even if she lived up to the WWE's grandmotherly presentation of her. It would be akin to naming the Palme d'or at Cannes after Herschell Gordon Lewis.

 

 

This.  Even setting aside the allegations, it was baffling to me they would honor someone who did so much damage to women's wrestling. She stuck out like a sore thumb in the Richter angle (everyone including Cyndi Lauper ran circles around her), and her playing the HBK role in the orginal screwjob seems to pretty much been forgotten. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 05:19 PM

Maybe this is already well known but how is it that Moolah was able to attain so much power over womens wrestling when she was so shitty?

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Posted 31 March 2018 - 05:30 PM

Connections and the fact that they were mostly a special attraction. Wanted to bring in some women for a show. You could either get Penny Banner and then try to find someone to wrestle her or you could call Moolah and have your pick of a whole squad of them.



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 06:22 PM

To consider it a little deeper, you also can't discount the fact that she was so motivated by greed and power that can only come from the kind of upbringing that lives from check to check like her family did. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 07:24 PM

Connections and the fact that they were mostly a special attraction. Wanted to bring in some women for a show. You could either get Penny Banner and then try to find someone to wrestle her or you could call Moolah and have your pick of a whole squad of them.

She was married to promoter Billy Wolfe who controlled women's wrestling before. She gained control after divorcing him. Wolfe was not exactly a peach of a person. So he had engendered no loyalty. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 09:06 PM

 

 

Sherri had nothing but nice things to say about Moolah in her RF interview. Did she change her tune subsequent to that?

 

Conversely, and it's been several years since I watched it, but from memory I'm sure Leilani Kai was quite negative about Moolah in her interview with RF.  Is she another who's changed her turne?

 

 

She wasn't happy with how things played out her last year or so as the Glamour Girls, and blamed Moolah for that.  She said Moolah tried to become the manager for the Glamour Girls rather than Jimmy Hart, and then she had them regain the WWF belts from the Jumping Bomb Angels on the last show of a Japan tour when they were supposed to do it at WM4.  Then Vince got pissed and cancelled their PPV match.  But that's just wrestling business stuff, not even close to what the other handful are claiming.  You'd think if she thought any of that had gone on, that'd been a good time to air her dirty laundry. 

 

 

I never bought this.  The match in Japan happened in June of 1988, well after WM 4.  I can't imagine them being upset because they couldn't do the blow off at WrestleMania 5, which was about eight months away.  

 

1. The match happened in Japan.  They could have easily ignored the title change and the fans wouldn't have been the wiser.

2. JBA vs. Glamour Girls happened infrequently on television after the JBA's won the belts, so fans wouldn't have even missed it.

3. Glamour Girls vs. JBA ran from June '87 to June '88.  Sounds like a deal to bring over Tateno and Yamazaki for a year contract with no plans past mid 1988.

4. Leilani Kai didn't wrestle after June 1988 until early 1994 when she came in for Blayze.  However, Judy stayed on and worked Rockin Robin for the next year until the women's division was scrapped.

 

I do believe Moolah probably wanted to be their manager as she was off TV for good after Survivor Series 1987 and likely wasn't getting a booking fee any longer.  It's also possible that she called them in Japan and lied to them.  But Vince and Pat getting hot over it and scrapping plans?  I doubt it.



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 09:20 PM

Pritchard said Vince told Moolah when he brought Sherri in she was not going to get a booking fee from them. That he was going to pay the girls and she would have to get the money from the girls. 

I believe it was suppose to be Summerslam 88 where the match took place. I think the anger from the office would be more on the idea they did a title change without permission.

If two guys swapped the IC belt on a house show, the office would be hot, even if could be ignored. 



#36 Johnny Sorrow

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 01:11 AM

Moolah wasnt the only person who grabbed control of their tiny piece of a shitty business to control a troupe. Lord Littlebrooke ran the midget racket with a tiny iron fist.

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 04:20 PM


Connections and the fact that they were mostly a special attraction. Wanted to bring in some women for a show. You could either get Penny Banner and then try to find someone to wrestle her or you could call Moolah and have your pick of a whole squad of them.

She was married to promoter Billy Wolfe who controlled women's wrestling before. She gained control after divorcing him. Wolfe was not exactly a peach of a person. So he had engendered no loyalty. 
Moolah wasnt married to Billy Wolfe, that was Mildred Burke. Im hazy on how exactly Moolah conquered the womens circuit. But Moolah was married to Buddy Lee who went on to be a bit of a mogul in country music.

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:38 PM

Maybe this is already well known but how is it that Moolah was able to attain so much power over womens wrestling when she was so shitty?

 

I had the same question.  Questions like this are why I love Jim Cornette's "other" podcast, Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru.  Unlike "The Jim Cornette Experience" it's the one where he (generally) talks only about wrestling and wrestling history, not ranting about Trump, gun control, Republicans, Vince Russo, and everything else under the sun that makes him go psychotic. Whether you like Cornette or you don't, even his detractors have to admit the man knows a ton about the history of Pro Wrestling. 

 

In this case, he actually knew Moolah, and in this clip he talks about the controversy and Moolah's history in the business. Agree with it or not, it's an interesting listen...

 



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Posted 01 April 2018 - 06:07 PM


Connections and the fact that they were mostly a special attraction. Wanted to bring in some women for a show. You could either get Penny Banner and then try to find someone to wrestle her or you could call Moolah and have your pick of a whole squad of them.

She was married to promoter Billy Wolfe who controlled women's wrestling before. She gained control after divorcing him. Wolfe was not exactly a peach of a person. So he had engendered no loyalty. 
Moolah wasnt married to Billy Wolfe, that was Mildred Burke. Im hazy on how exactly Moolah conquered the womens circuit. But Moolah was married to Buddy Lee who went on to be a bit of a mogul in country music.

Meltzer explains a lot of this in the latest Observer. Basically after Burke and Wolfe split, there was disorder and an opening for a power grab, which Moolah and Buddy Lee did. Eventually, Moolah and Buddy Lee split, he went into country music, leaving Moolah with a pretty good grip on women's wrestling

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:32 PM

 

 

Connections and the fact that they were mostly a special attraction. Wanted to bring in some women for a show. You could either get Penny Banner and then try to find someone to wrestle her or you could call Moolah and have your pick of a whole squad of them.

She was married to promoter Billy Wolfe who controlled women's wrestling before. She gained control after divorcing him. Wolfe was not exactly a peach of a person. So he had engendered no loyalty. 
Moolah wasnt married to Billy Wolfe, that was Mildred Burke. Im hazy on how exactly Moolah conquered the womens circuit. But Moolah was married to Buddy Lee who went on to be a bit of a mogul in country music.

 

Ricky covered it. I got the names mixed up, sorry. 






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