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#41 iamthedoctor

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 12:32 AM

 

 

 

Sherri had nothing but nice things to say about Moolah in her RF interview. Did she change her tune subsequent to that?

 

Conversely, and it's been several years since I watched it, but from memory I'm sure Leilani Kai was quite negative about Moolah in her interview with RF.  Is she another who's changed her turne?

 

 

She wasn't happy with how things played out her last year or so as the Glamour Girls, and blamed Moolah for that.  She said Moolah tried to become the manager for the Glamour Girls rather than Jimmy Hart, and then she had them regain the WWF belts from the Jumping Bomb Angels on the last show of a Japan tour when they were supposed to do it at WM4.  Then Vince got pissed and cancelled their PPV match.  But that's just wrestling business stuff, not even close to what the other handful are claiming.  You'd think if she thought any of that had gone on, that'd been a good time to air her dirty laundry. 

 

 

I never bought this.  The match in Japan happened in June of 1988, well after WM 4.  I can't imagine them being upset because they couldn't do the blow off at WrestleMania 5, which was about eight months away.  

 

1. The match happened in Japan.  They could have easily ignored the title change and the fans wouldn't have been the wiser.

2. JBA vs. Glamour Girls happened infrequently on television after the JBA's won the belts, so fans wouldn't have even missed it.

3. Glamour Girls vs. JBA ran from June '87 to June '88.  Sounds like a deal to bring over Tateno and Yamazaki for a year contract with no plans past mid 1988.

4. Leilani Kai didn't wrestle after June 1988 until early 1994 when she came in for Blayze.  However, Judy stayed on and worked Rockin Robin for the next year until the women's division was scrapped.

 

I do believe Moolah probably wanted to be their manager as she was off TV for good after Survivor Series 1987 and likely wasn't getting a booking fee any longer.  It's also possible that she called them in Japan and lied to them.  But Vince and Pat getting hot over it and scrapping plans?  I doubt it.

 

 

Thats a very interesting story. Was always a fan of the JBA. The Survivor Series match probably my fav and often wondered how many televised matches these two teams had. I know there is one on one of the Best of WWF tapes.



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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:38 PM

Listening to Jericho's podcast on my commute today, and he noted that he shot Vince a text to suggest the "Sensational Invitational" as a name and a nod to Sherri. Would've worked well enough, and it certainly sounds better than what they're using.

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 12:41 PM

In the latest interview from wrestling insider Nigel Sherrod, pro wrestling legend Beverly Shade spoke out against the allegations of prostitution, drugging, & stealing that have been directed against her former colleague, the late Fabulous Moolah (Lillian Ellison). With Beverly Shade’s testimony, she is now the 12th former women’s wrestler to denounce the allegations against Moolah, including Leilani Kai, Joyce Grable, Susan “Tex” Green & others, who were trained by and worked directly for Moolah. WWE Superstar Del “The Patriot” Wilkes, who was also trained by The Fabulous Moolah, has also recently spoken out against these allegation.

 

Accusations that Moolah drugged female wrestlers: “I don’t no more agree with that then donkeys can fly… because Moolah didn’t even like for you to smoke a cigarette around her… So I just can’t picture her doing it… I just don’t believe that.

 

Moolah cheating women wrestlers out of money: “She got a percentage of what they (promoters) paid. I don’t know what the percentage was. I know what she paid me.. But if you stop and think about, it’s no different than being an actor, and they’ve got an agent… At the end of the day, I’m the one that took the bookings. She’s the one that offered and I’m the one that went. So if I got screwed, then poor, pitiful me, shame on me… They were talking about Moolah not paying them right, they should’ve worked in the 50s or 60s, they should’ve worked for Nick Gulas… Christine Jarrett was working in the office. And she handed me my envelope, and I opened it up, and I looked, and I called Johnson, Tennessee and I said, “Oh, [Expletive]! We drove all the way to Johnson City & back for $15 and we paid $6 in trans… So if someone wants to complain about money, go work for Nick Gulas.”

 

Ever hearing about Moolah pimping women out: “No, never did… When you’d get bookings you’d say, “Well, I got pimped out on that one.” If you didn’t think what you thought youwas going to make… But never, like you’re talking about. Like pimping the girls out to guys and stuff like that… I knew Moolah well enough to know that she just wasn’t that type of person. Now they may have used the word pimping as far as what they got, moneywise… and somebody took it, some screwball, that’s brains are sitting in the bottom of their feet somewhere, took it as pimping them out to men or something… If you knew Moolah, you’d know that’s just not true.

 

The cyber bullying on social media that lead to pressure on Snickers & WWE to remove Moolah’s name from the Women’s Battle Royal at WrestleMania 34: “I don’t know who started this… I can’t believe that anybody is that jealous, or that stupid. I don’t know what they thought they were accomplishing. To take somebody that can’t speak for theirself, and them through the mud like they’re doing her. She’s not here to defend herself, which is not right. I just don’t understand what they think they’re accomplishing.

 

Claims that Moolah was not inclusive, was a racist and a bigot: “I don’t think she was a bit racist… I have never heard Moolah say anything prejudice against anybody.

 

What is Moolah’s legacy in pro wrestling: “I think that she was women’s wrestling. She’s the one that really got all the girls going… Leilani Kai, and Judy Martin. All the different tag teams that she had. Velvet and all them. Look at the exposure those girls got, because of her. They got a lot more exposure than us independent girls did… and I think she did a great job for women’s wrestling.



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Posted 19 April 2018 - 02:01 PM

It seems very bizarre to me that you're so desperate to defend Moolah just because she was a star when you were growing up watching wrestling.



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Posted 19 April 2018 - 04:31 PM

What is Moolah’s legacy in pro wrestling: “I think that she was women’s wrestling. She’s the one that really got all the girls going… Leilani Kai, and Judy Martin. All the different tag teams that she had. Velvet and all them. Look at the exposure those girls got, because of her. They got a lot more exposure than us independent girls did… and I think she did a great job for women’s wrestling.

 

So basically she's saying because Moolah had a stranglehold on women's wrestling, and froze out women who weren't part of her stable people should have been just happy they got what they got? Okay. 



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 12:35 AM

"Cyber bullying"

Nigel is literally the worst.

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 08:25 AM

 

What is Moolah’s legacy in pro wrestling: “I think that she was women’s wrestling. She’s the one that really got all the girls going… Leilani Kai, and Judy Martin. All the different tag teams that she had. Velvet and all them. Look at the exposure those girls got, because of her. They got a lot more exposure than us independent girls did… and I think she did a great job for women’s wrestling.

 

So basically she's saying because Moolah had a stranglehold on women's wrestling, and froze out women who weren't part of her stable people should have been just happy they got what they got? Okay. 

 

This is a sincere question, so please do not take it as hostile. Is there anything she or one of Moolah's contemporaries could say that would change your mind at all?



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 08:40 AM

 

 

What is Moolah’s legacy in pro wrestling: “I think that she was women’s wrestling. She’s the one that really got all the girls going… Leilani Kai, and Judy Martin. All the different tag teams that she had. Velvet and all them. Look at the exposure those girls got, because of her. They got a lot more exposure than us independent girls did… and I think she did a great job for women’s wrestling.

 

So basically she's saying because Moolah had a stranglehold on women's wrestling, and froze out women who weren't part of her stable people should have been just happy they got what they got? Okay. 

 

This is a sincere question, so please do not take it as hostile. Is there anything she or one of Moolah's contemporaries could say that would change your mind at all?

 

 

You didn't ask me but I will answer. No. Just because she didn't abuse some people doesn't change things like the Sweet Georgia Brown story. Like I said earlier, systematic abuse endangers the scam. If she was only pimping 10% of the women that came through her school, she's still a fucking scumbag.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:00 AM

If she was only pimping *one* of those girls, she was a scumbag. The old "Well, I have nothing but good things to say about her, she never did anything bad to me" ain't worth shit as far as telling what Moolah was really about (it reminds me of some of some actresses telling how Harvey W. never did anything to them and how he was a professional in their presence. Well, good for them, but that doesn't say much about what he actually did to others.).

 

There's enough crummy stuff about her to not care about some probably semi-senile "legend" (really ?) blabbing about how Moolah "did a great job for women’s wrestling." when she actually, and that's a fact, destroyed it for her own benefit. For that reason and that reason only, it was ridiculous to name anything after her.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:17 AM

I said this earlier in the thread and it needs to be repeated. If you came to Moolah and you had a family and a strong social support network, chances are you were going to be fine. She isn't going to abuse you if your family is going to find out and expose you. If you came in with no family, you were prime for being taken advantage of. People like Moolah aren't stupid. Part of the scam is recognizing who are your marks and who poses a threat to you.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

Well here is the issue, wouldn't other people hear about it? How many secrets are successfully kept in wrestling?  It seems like the aggressiveness toward this woman (lady being interviewed) is because she is not saying what some people want to hear. I think she is wrong about Moolah ripping off the women on money. Which is the only concrete thing we know Moolah has done. But that is a common mentality with authoritarians who back the employer no matter what. 

I don't think Moolah ever contributed much to women's wrestling. She was selfish and padded her own wallet while never creating a star. Wendi Richter might count, but I think you could have put any established female star in the champion role and gotten similar results, Though Moolah was such an old crone, she made a good antagonist for the Rock and Wrestling Richter. 

That all said, beyond Luna Vachon, we don't have a first hand account of Moolah doing the things she is being accused of. Even in Luna's version, it did not involve sex or drugs. 

Even Sweet Brown Sugar's story is second hand from her family. 

The accusations are not nearly as solid as everyone acts like they are. 
 



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 04:55 PM

I mean, even if Moolah did nothing of the pimping and sexual abuse, she'd still be terrible for turning women's wrestling to a money drawing thing to a sideshow. 



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:02 PM

Well here is the issue, wouldn't other people hear about it? How many secrets are successfully kept in wrestling?  It seems like the aggressiveness toward this woman (lady being interviewed) is because she is not saying what some people want to hear. I think she is wrong about Moolah ripping off the women on money. Which is the only concrete thing we know Moolah has done. But that is a common mentality with authoritarians who back the employer no matter what. 

I don't think Moolah ever contributed much to women's wrestling. She was selfish and padded her own wallet while never creating a star. Wendi Richter might count, but I think you could have put any established female star in the champion role and gotten similar results, Though Moolah was such an old crone, she made a good antagonist for the Rock and Wrestling Richter. 

That all said, beyond Luna Vachon, we don't have a first hand account of Moolah doing the things she is being accused of. Even in Luna's version, it did not involve sex or drugs. 

Even Sweet Brown Sugar's story is second hand from her family. 

The accusations are not nearly as solid as everyone acts like they are. 
 

Lady Maxine is still alive and has continued to make her firsthand accusation.

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:28 PM

Is it really surprising that the dark side of women's wrestling during the 60s to the 80s  was easily hidden? We're talking about a sideshow of a sideshow where not many people beyond the hardest of the hardcores know much about the non steroid related darkness of men's wrestling during the same time? 

 

There's also the matter than there were probably not many people in the business that really gave a shit how the women wrestlers were treated back then.  That's kind of how Moolah was able to get and maintain her position, there really wasn't anyone around who cared enough to do anything about.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 07:33 PM

Look how long it took to really expose something like Scientology. 



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 07:43 PM

Also, it's pro wrestling. It's still a shady business even today, but it's nothing like it was then.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:13 PM

Look how long it took to really expose something like Scientology. 

Now I want Moolah to have also been the real author of "Dianetics". Her Thetan levels must have been off the charts.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 11:59 AM

Presumably everyone who is (rightly) calling out Moolahs history of abuse against women will be boycotting the Saudi show?

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 02:05 PM

Presumably everyone who is (rightly) calling out Moolahs history of abuse against women will be boycotting the Saudi show?

 

Yep. We're all not spending any money on it...



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Posted 21 April 2018 - 04:16 PM

At this point, you'll never be able to prove or disprove any of this fully.  The Sweet Georgia Brown article, which seemed to be the backbone of the anti-Moolah defense, came off as flimsy hearsay to me.  And then you have her son standing in front of Moolah's house saying his sister was bitter and exaggerated or lied about what was said in the article. 






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