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Former Wrestlers Speaks Out Against Allegations That Led to WWE Removing Fabulous Moolah's Name from Battle Royal


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#121 Bix

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

At the Cauliflower Alley Club panel about Moolah, Princess Victoria backed up that Moolah pressured her to sleep with a businessman (I forget if he was a promoter) in Europe. He then tried to steal her passport when she didn't.

Not really all that different from the other allegations.

Anyone who was taking the "pimping" stuff absolutely, 100% literally in terms of how Moolah ran her business is missing the point. Would anyone be really shocked of some of the former Moolah students are missing that, either deliberately or otherwise? Nigel isn't exactly asking "Did Moolah ever pressure you to or suggest you have sex with someone?" or any kind of legitimate follow up questions. Nobody has given any reason not to view Victoria or Mad Maxine as anything less than credible. Sweet Georgia Brown is a little more confusing because of how the article was done. But Luna's emotions about being sent to a creepy doctor to take pictures when she felt she was too young to have a day in it are being dismissed. And that's ridiculous.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:00 PM

In March the attitude was Moolah was a human trafficker. Now that these allegations have proven less than airtight, goal posts are being moved. 

Maxxine's story would qualify as conjecture. If you put what Maxxine said with what Luna said, the guy was a creepy doctor who liked taking nude pics of lady wrestlers. At no point is it said Moolah forced anyone to go. She presented it as a way to make extra money. 

With Victoria you would have a story if she faced negative consequences for beating up the kraut. But it appears she didn't and she would have every reason to say so. 

I feel sick defending the old bag. I just don't see why people are clinging to the more questionable by the day pimping charges, when there are concrete shitty things she did. 

The cynical part of me thinks it is because, a promoter ripping off workers is not good clickbait.

That said, Nigel is being paid by WWE right? Having him do the research so if she is cleared, they can use her image, but if its confirmed their hands are clean. 



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:14 PM

It's the only thing that makes sense considering he seems to be out solely to make her look good. I can't imagine anyone else feeling that strongly about fucking Moolah.

 

I don't know where I feel on the pimping thing. As I said, a couple of women saying she didn't do it to them doesn't disprove that she did it to others. I think it's super shitty and fucked up of her to put young girls in those situations. I think if this part was exaggerated it doesn't change the fact that their decision to name a battle royal after her was fucking stupid and they deserved to take the beating for it that they did.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:26 PM

The sad thing is, that robbing your employees (Indentured servants is closer) is not enough to get people to care. We all know why WWE would not care. But the fans aren't much better. 



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:28 PM

I think that's harder for people to wrap their heads around for some reason. 

 

I think that might be due to a lot of online fans being younger and having no concept of money and what wrestlers actually make. I've found online fans in general to be extremely ignorant of what indy wrestlers that aren't big names actually make on shows.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 05:00 PM

In March the attitude was Moolah was a human trafficker. Now that these allegations have proven less than airtight, goal posts are being moved. 

Maxxine's story would qualify as conjecture. If you put what Maxxine said with what Luna said, the guy was a creepy doctor who liked taking nude pics of lady wrestlers. At no point is it said Moolah forced anyone to go. She presented it as a way to make extra money. 

 

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Maxine and Luna were talking about the same guy. Didn't we go over this earlier in the thread?  I could have sworn we did.

 

With Victoria you would have a story if she faced negative consequences for beating up the kraut. But it appears she didn't and she would have every reason to say so. 
 
But Moolah still booked Victoria in a situation with the idea of her having sex with the guy.

I feel sick defending the old bag. I just don't see why people are clinging to the more questionable by the day pimping charges, when there are concrete shitty things she did. 
 
The cynical part of me thinks it is because, a promoter ripping off workers is not good clickbait.
 
What clickbait? What has actually been refuted?
 
That said, Nigel is being paid by WWE right? Having him do the research so if she is cleared, they can use her image, but if its confirmed their hands are clean. 

 

 

I dunno if I'd say that, but the whole thing seems weird for someone it seems barely knew Moolah in the first place?


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 05:03 PM

I think that's harder for people to wrap their heads around for some reason. 

 

I think that might be due to a lot of online fans being younger and having no concept of money and what wrestlers actually make. I've found online fans in general to be extremely ignorant of what indy wrestlers that aren't big names actually make on shows.

 

I think that's fair; "Moolah collected money for a retirement home for female wrestlers for years and years and then never built it or gave it back" is reason enough to not name the battle royal after her.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 05:14 PM

I feel like even deep into the 00s, there were allusions for women going on certain WWE tours "for the boys'" morale. I wonder if some of this is just an issue of semantics, whereas Moolah, who up until the late 80s with Vince, was getting the lump sum for her women and part of the money she was getting (or, to put it differently, why she might have gotten more than if she was providing the midgets, for example) was for assumed additional services rendered. That's less dramatic than the business-who-takes-passport story, but bad in other ways for the matter-of-factness of it all.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 05:23 PM

I think that's harder for people to wrap their heads around for some reason. 

 

I think that might be due to a lot of online fans being younger and having no concept of money and what wrestlers actually make. I've found online fans in general to be extremely ignorant of what indy wrestlers that aren't big names actually make on shows.

I will get to the rest later. But a lot of fans don't really care about the wrestlers. People think Vince paying for rehab but not surgery is Vince providing for the boys. Not getting the selfish motives behind it. He pays for rehab he

1. Looks like a good guy for helping a lowly drug addict.

2. Prevents WWE from looking bad if a guy dies young. 

But if he paid for a guys surgery, it implies wrestling is dangerous and he holds some responsibility. 

I will get to the rest later. I am too worked up over the pay shit.  



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 05:27 PM

I feel like even deep into the 00s, there were allusions for women going on certain WWE tours "for the boys'" morale. I wonder if some of this is just an issue of semantics, whereas Moolah, who up until the late 80s with Vince, was getting the lump sum for her women and part of the money she was getting (or, to put it differently, why she might have gotten more than if she was providing the midgets, for example) was for assumed additional services rendered. That's less dramatic than the business-who-takes-passport story, but bad in other ways for the matter-of-factness of it all.

I'm right with you on this. I'm pretty convinced this is creating a huge wall.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 03:34 AM

When and for which promotion was that Victoria allegation supposed to have happened? I'm not aware of it



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 05:40 PM

Now I am running cooler.
 
 
Lets start with Sweet Georgia Brown. That never should have even went to press. We have a second hand account from her daughter, which is questionable under the best circumstances. If only because Brown is dead. Then her son comes out and says its not true. Which does not mean it did not happen. But it means we have no idea what happened one way or another. At the very least Brown's other children should have been questioned for the article.
 
Maxxine hates Moolah and rightly so. But right off the bat, it makes her testimony questionable. That said she never said Moolah made an issue of it when Maxxine did not. 
 
Finally you have the thing with Luna. Which is the only thing close to concrete we have against Moolah The Pimp/Human Trafficker. 

But this boils down to Moolah irresponsibly sending a teen into an adult situation. Which is nothing to gloss over. Combined with the child endangerment charges Moolah faced decades earlier. 

It only adds to the case of Moolah being a greedy piece of garbage. But adds nothing to the pimping charges, which is what the Twitter mob based their entire case on. 

Which for an unruly mob, it was a good strategy. You trump up a scandalous story, pressure a sponsor on a time sensitive matter, knowing WWE and Snickers are not going to investigate. Even if it falls apart later, the damage was done. Moolah herself would applaud it. 





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