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#21 The Thread Killer

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:10 PM

I have to admit, I am looking forward to this.  I listened to a few minutes of the preview clip, and Conrad sounds a lot more formal and organized than he does on STW, and miles apart from his shtick on WHW.  That was a concern of mine.  It's probably more formal because it's the premiere episode and I imagine with time and comfort he'll relax, but I liked the brief clip that I heard.  Hopefully Conrad will use his research (which he apparently has people doing for him now) to call Eric out when he's B.S.ing, but he won't revert into dickjoke mode like he does on WHW. Like I said earlier, I actually like Bischoff in this setting from what I have seen.  I'm going to give it a good chance, and the timing couldn't be better because I am rapidly getting tired of STW.



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Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:30 PM

I listened to the first episode tonight, and I thought it was excellent.  It turned out exactly the way I hoped it would. Conrad was prepared and much more professional than he is on STW and WHW.  Eric did claim he didn't remember quite a few things, but he also remembered quite a bit too.  He provided some interesting details and insights I had never heard about the formation of the nWo.  I really enjoyed this a lot.



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Posted 01 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

This is doing very well on iTunes, nearly topping the overall podcast charts which is unheard of for a wrestling show.



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Posted 02 May 2018 - 03:30 PM

First episode was pretty good. Bischoff didn't sound like he was working. Hopefully as time goes on he will feel less and less pressure to defend his legacy.



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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

I'd put it this way. There are things that I always sort of accepted (like the fact Mabel was at least considered for the role of the third man or that Savage vs Hogan was promised to Slim Jims at Halloween Havoc) that I'm now at least willing to doubt. 



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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:53 PM

Extremely poor audio quality on Bischoff's side.

 

So he wasn't influenced at all by the UWF-I invasion of NJ (mmkay...) but he wanted to present WCW as more reality based like it was in Japan. Which I guess is why Hogan pushed the Giant's off Cobo Arena's roof. And Blood Runs Cold. And the Dungeon of Doom.

 

After one hour, there's still no mention of Kevin Sullivan (no idea if he's gonna get any credit at all, he only was the guy who put the shows together after all). And really, Uncle Eric is quite the unengaging listen (say what you want about Bruce, but he's charismatic as hell and a great storyteller).

 

I've heard too much about those things already. It's too bad the Schiavone podcast has turned into a long big joke, because I'd rather listen to Tony talk about WCW.

 

Pass.



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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:36 PM

I'm going to be on "wait & see" mode with this one for awhile - let the eps stack up and see how they're generally received first. I have a lot of time to kill with work, commutes, and the gym. So there's a chance I'll end up listening - but I'm really hoping it's not just a one trick pony.

In some sense, I'm glad they're addressing the nWo right away. I just hope it's not one of those deals where every topic & every conversation keeps coming back to that. I want a specific discussion about Glacier and Mortis. What about Sullivan/Pillman and later Sullivan/Benoit? The rise and transformation of DDP. The political landscape with Nash as booker. The negotiations with talent - everyone from Jericho and the Radicalz to Bill Goldberg. The future plans for the Fusient deal, etc.

It's too early to judge anything, to be fair. But I'm always hesitant with Bischoff.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 05:43 PM

I enjoyed it, I've always enjoyed Bischoff's perspective because he's not someone entrenched in the rasslin way of thinking. It was really interesting hearing how the Turner legal hierarchy worked around the time of the WWF-WCW suit. He's got a good head for business and a knack for production, I'm looking forward to hearing more.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 05:56 PM

The next few will be the Fingerpoke of Doom, Bash at the Beach 2000, and I think something else I wasn't hugely interested in. I might skip them.



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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:04 PM

I'd put it this way. There are things that I always sort of accepted (like the fact Mabel was at least considered for the role of the third man or that Savage vs Hogan was promised to Slim Jims at Halloween Havoc) that I'm now at least willing to doubt. 

 

Looking back it makes a lot of sense that the third man had to already be someone who had been in the company for awhile, and not just another new guy they picked up from the WWF. Having Hall and Nash come in virtually at the same time is what really set the angle in motion, and outside of maybe Bret there was not another bigger name even coming close to them on the fence. And Bischoff said he didn't even talk to Bret until two months after the BATB show (which I believe is corroborated in Bret's book).



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 06:51 AM

The next few will be the Fingerpoke of Doom, Bash at the Beach 2000, and I think something else I wasn't hugely interested in. I might skip them.

 

Bret Hart is the subject of next week's show, which should be interesting given Bret's recent comments about Eric.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 06:57 AM

I didn't skip. There were things I found interesting on the fingerpoke episode, though I think it was a mistake for Conrad to source most of his side from Alvarez' book. I thought some of the things he ultimately grilled Eric on were the wrong way to go (like complaining so much about Nash's selling of the fingerpoke instead of asking more about what a NWO Nitro vs WCW Thunder feud would have looked like in practice or about the idea of keeping the belt on Nash instead of putting it on Hogan even if they reuinted, stuff like that). I think he could have pressed harder on creative possibilities that didn't involve ending the streak too. As always you get Bischoff outright countering things (like Sullivan begging him not to end the streak or the fact the lockout had nothing to do with the February WCW on NBC special not happening, some of which was in his book but who read that, right?).



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:45 AM

I never heard the Mabel rumor until very recently. I am the only person who would have preferred that



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:39 AM

I don't know if anybody else caught this past week's episode on Bret Hart in WCW?  It was pretty intense.  We are in week three of this show now, and Eric is really starting to get into his gimmick and fight back against a lot of the popular online narratives about the "Death of WCW."  I'm not saying I believe him (any more than I ever believed Bruce Prichard) but I find the show to be very interesting.  If nothing else, he has provided some interesting details about the inner workings of the Turner organization and the way it changed once the Time Warner acquisition began.

 

This past week Conrad used Bret's book as his source and at points Eric became near apoplectic over some of the claims Bret made, especially about contract offers and negotiations. He is adamant that some parts of Bret's book are outright lies.  Like I said, I don't necessarily believe it but it is very entertaining.  At this point, I much prefer this show to Something to Wrestle.  That may be due to the fact I have tired of the STW formula, but I am really enjoying this show so far.



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:46 PM

I still prefer Prichard's show all in all, but a lot of that comes down to things like familiarity and my preference for Bruce as a storyteller. The impressions and sidebars can clearly feel overdone at times, but I still enjoy the shit out of them for the most part.

This show has been worthwhile so far though. It does get bonus points for feeling new and fresh. Conrad is way dialed back in comparison to his approaches on both the Prichard show & especially the Schiavone show - which has become downright awful in recent months.

I haven't had the chance to check out the Bret episode just yet, but I have listened to the first two eps. Eric is slowly showing some teeth in his responses - going particularly hard after Sullivan and Alvarez so far - which is only going to help strengthen the entertainment value and appeal to some of the usual Something To Wrestle listeners, I'm sure. Plus it makes for a better back & forth conversation anyhow.

It's been a fun listen so far though. I'm definitely on board for now. It's not an issue of buying into everything Eric is selling or anything. It's a matter (for me) of being an engaging listen that offers some added insight into a really fun time period in my fandom. Good stuff.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:41 PM

Meltz totally burying Bischoff on the Bret Hart deal was quite entertaining.

 

The fact Bischoff comes after Sullivan now apparently makes it even worse to me, as Sully as been credited by many as quite important to WCW's success during those days.

 

Yeah, no time to listen to another bullshit show. At least Prichard is entertaining.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 03:46 PM


The fact Bischoff comes after Sullivan now apparently makes it even worse to me, as Sully as been credited by many as quite important to WCW's success during those days.

 

Yeah, no time to listen to another bullshit show. At least Prichard is entertaining.

 

I've noticed that you seem to be a big fan of passing judgment on things you haven't actually heard.  In the WHW thread, you had a strong opinion on Tony's joke about Nikita's wife, despite the fact you hadn't heard it.  Now you have an opinion on this show, despite the fact you have "no time to listen to another bullshit show." Just a thought, but if you want to express an opinion and contribute to a discussion about something, you should actually make a determination based on what you see or hear yourself.

 

If you had actually listened to this show, you would know that Eric Bischoff hardly "comes after" Sullivan.  As a joke in the "Fingerpoke of Doom" episode, Conrad brings up some absurd creative angle (I forget which, there were so many) and he asks Eric about it.  There is a significant pause, and then Bischoff says: "Fucking Sullivan."  Then he and Conrad both laugh their asses off, it is clearly not meant to be taken seriously. His blaming Sullivan (and other members of the booking committee) is done as a joke 99% of the time.  I would not be one little bit surprised if there is a "F-ing Sullivan" T-shirt that debuts sooner rather than later.  Conrad and Bischoff are doing exactly what Conrad did with Bruce and then Tony.  Coming up with recurring shtick.

 

Bischoff has said several times so far that he was not the booker.  He came up with ideas, he took them to the booking committee. When they had ideas, they brought them to him for approval.  One thing he has said repeatedly, is that he has to bear ultimate responsibility for everything that made it on the air, because he was ultimately in charge.  There has been multiple times where he has flat out said something sucked, or that it didn't work.  One example off the top of my head is the angle where Goldberg got taken into custody for "stalking" Miss Elisabeth. He freely admits that was total crap.

 

Bischoff does take issue with a shoot interview that Conrad quotes, that Sullivan gave in the past couple of years.  In the shoot interview, Sullivan claims that he went to Bischoff and begged him not to end Goldberg's streak and that they were "killing the golden goose" but Bischoff wouldn't listen to him.  Bischoff claims that never happened.  His big issue seems to be that in the years since WCW died, a bunch of the guys who were on the creative team have all done shoot interviews where they all tried to make themselves look good in retrospect - taking credit for the successes and absolving themselves of blame for the failures. He even says the same thing about Hulk Hogan, who is still a close personal friend of his. I like Kevin Sullivan and I respect his work, but if you've seen any of his shoot interviews over the past few years, you know that Eric Bischoff is right about one thing. He's a big fan of pointing fingers at other people and not taking any of the blame for some of the crap that got put on TV when he was on creative.

 

I like this show more than STW for three reasons. Conrad is much more restrained and focused on this show than he is on STW and WHW. He sticks to the format for the most part, and doesn't seem as obsessed with going off topic or making dirty jokes.  Secondly, Eric Bischoff seems more interested in discussing the topic at hand than he is in doing impressions.  Finally, so far 83 Weeks has covered topics that I actually find interesting.  Next week they're doing Bash at the Beach 2000, and any time somebody wants to bury Vince Russo I will be there with a big bag of popcorn. It doesn't mean I'm going to buy everything Bischoff says.  He has an agenda, clearly.  He is trying to get his version of the truth about the Death of WCW out there, and he is using this show as his platform to do that. 

 

I am not the "Defender of Bischoff."  I find him interesting, I find his perspective on things interesting, because he provides insights on the business end of WCW that nobody else really has up to this point.  I like this show a lot, for now.  I can see myself getting tired of it, just like I got tired of STW and WHW.  If you don't like it, I can totally understand that, and I have no investment in the show. 

 

I just think it's odd to pass judgment on something you haven't even listened to at any length.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:44 PM

It's been mentioned in the previous post that :

 

Eric is slowly showing some teeth in his responses - going particularly hard after Sullivan and Alvarez so far - 

 

and then my quote was :

 

The fact Bischoff comes after Sullivan now apparently makes it even worse to me

 

 

So there.

 

As far as the rest goes, Bischoff is notoriously full of shit. And judging from the first episode, which I have listened, and various other interviews over the years, both in podcast and in classic Shoot interview mode (with KC), he's also not very entertaining nor engaging to me. So...

 

And really, the idea of yet another Conrad show just doesn't appeal to me at this point and what I read in this thread, including from people who actually like the show, just confirm my idea that I'm not missing much at all, considering who's involved.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:06 PM

I'm an hour in to the Bret one. Does he ever explain why Nitro vs Thunder never happened?

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:46 PM

After hearing the Finger Poke of Doom episode, is it odd that I'm convinced I would've enjoyed the shit out of that February NBC special?

First of all, there's the name. "Love Hurts"..? It's so glorious in its cheese, yet it's totally fitting for WCW and its history with holiday themes. And just imagine the set! Decorated like the honeymoon suite or some shit with silk and heart-shaped shit everywhere.

Oh. And a wrestling DIVORCE instead of a wrestling wedding? Plus, it's Dennis Rodman and "Miss MTV Spring Break" Carmen Electra?! Sign me the fuck up to watch that, stat.

I mean, seriously. Is there anything on earth *MORE* Eric Bischoff than doing a traditional wrestling trope in reverse with celebrities? This thing was a fucking winner, friends. And it's a shame we never got to see it unfold.

Fuck Bill Goldberg's redemption streak coming undone. Because this. This is the true tragedy in the wake of the Finger Poke of Doom when it's all said & done.




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