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#1 FMKK

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:09 AM

It's pretty clear that Reigns is going to defeat Lesnar and win the Universal Championship on Sunday, blowing off stories that go back as far as Wrestlemania 30 in 2014. Does this mean he's finally going to be booked as the ace babyface that he's supposedly been for the last two or three years? He's obviously been booked as a top star - defeating HHH and Undertaker in Mania main events is proof of that - but he's never had the extended run as the top champion that one would expect from a babyface ace. The closest he's ever come to that was in 2016 when he beat HHH for the title and then had the excellent feud with AJ Styles but the Adderal suspension derailed that run. It''s unfortunately because that was probably the best presentation of his character since the main event push began in 2015.

 

With that being said, is there a chance now that we'll get the title run they've held off on for all these years? The potential opponents are in place for it to be a truly legendary run, a la Cena in 2006-07. In fact, the potential feuds they could run would easily be enough for a great year long title reign or longer - Rollins, Balor, Joe, Strowman, Ambrose, Cena, Lashley if he comes in, Miz could be a transitional challenger, whoever gets called up from NXT and transferred from Smackdown could be in the mix too. There's a good mix there of faces and heels that a polarised crowd could whip up a great atmosphere for. He's still not universally over as a babyface but the Lesnar angles have gotten us to a point where more fans are vocally in favour of Reigns than ever before, recreating the hot dynamic Cena had going. There's also a healthy mix of challengers that you could easily feed him and opponents who are worthy of big time feuds and matches. I feel like the stars are aligning for something special here that would really make the guy seem like the man in WWE.

 

The second question is whether WWE are interested in this sort of booking anymore. We've all talked about how the brand is the star above any of the individuals on numerous occasions. It's also really striking to me how heel-dominated WWE's main event scene has been for years now. This was a promotion that was traditionally babyface orientated - Bruno, Backlund, Hogan, Bret, Shawn (the Attitude era was more hot shot) and Cena all got those career defining babyface title runs but we've not really had one since perhaps all the way back in 2007 with John proving himself as the top star.

 

Are WWE no longer interested in booking this way? Is the top babyface ace as we've previously understood it an outmoded concept? Or have they simply been waiting til the time and the person are right in their eyes to be in that postion post-Cena? 

 

I for one think it'll be refreshing to see a proper top-dog ace title run for the first time in years after long periods of chickenshit heels and the part-time Lesnar.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:16 AM

As per last time, he needs to go undefeated for about 2 years.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:18 AM

As per last time, he needs to go undefeated for about 2 years.

 

I forgot to mention your article comparing him to Dory and Backlund but I totally intended to!

 

That'll never happen in current WWE but he should certainly win all his feuds until Mania 35 at least.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:19 AM

As per last time, he needs to go undefeated for about 2 years.

 

Perhaps there are other ways about it, but yes, it really can be that simple.  No bells or whistles attached to Okada's current reign, just a string of excellent main event title matches.  Let the work generate the buzz.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:45 AM

My view his not good enough to be call ace no matter how he's booked   the fans have to get back the ace as the ace that is one of the things wwe has done wrong with roman  



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:53 AM

Roman's still the ace with an asterisk. I think Rousey is the top star now.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:54 AM

I just looked it up and Reigns has had three world title runs but combined they are only 118 days, Both of AJ styles's title runs have been longer than all three of reigns', while he has been pushed as a top guy as you say he has no way close to being pushed as an ace. He does not necessarily need to go undefeated for 2 years but he should at least have year long title reign with 15+ successful title defenses if they want him to be the top guy ace.

 

That post mania 32 run you mentioned was only 72 days, it was nothing maybe it would have been longer without the adderall.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:55 AM

Roman's still the ace with an asterisk. I think Rousey is the top star now.


Are we sure its not Shane?

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:01 AM

The McMahon family has been the stars of the show for two decades now. I think non-McMahon is sort of inferred. 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:27 AM

Roman's still the ace with an asterisk. I think Rousey is the top star now.

My view of an ace is the fact that the fans have to back the ace look if you hear the chant of roman, roman or alike after mania  then I would view him as the  ace the fans make the ace  along with the booking I use Misawa  as an example if the fans were not behind him would he have became ace  by beating Jumbo in June 1990  ie having the torch passed to him  once baba knew Misawa was over and liked by the fans.

 

My view is the fans make the ace more than or equal to the booking 

 

we have very different views of what makes an ace 

I know wwe  is also a face based promotion so roman need be a face ie getting face pops to be ace in wwe tradition 

 

correct if on not accurate in anyway here 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:48 AM

My view his not good enough to be call ace no matter how he's booked   the fans have to get back the ace as the ace that is one of the things wwe has done wrong with roman  


Hes the most consistent worker in WWE, always gets heat in his matches and splits the crowd in a way that he can work against heels or faces.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:50 AM


Roman's still the ace with an asterisk. I think Rousey is the top star now.

My view of an ace is the fact that the fans have to back the ace look if you hear the chant of roman, roman or alike after mania  then I would view him as the  ace the fans make the ace  along with the booking I use Misawa  as an example if the fans were not behind him would he have became ace  by beating Jumbo in June 1990  ie having the torch passed to him  once baba knew Misawa was over and liked by the fans.
 
My view is the fans make the ace more than or equal to the booking 
 
we have very different views of what makes an ace 
I know wwe  is also a face based promotion so roman need be a face ie getting face pops to be ace in wwe tradition 
 
correct if on not accurate in anyway here 

Does this mean that Cena wasnt the ace in 06-07?

(Wouldve put that all in one post but Im typing on phone and the editing isnt the best)

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:05 AM

 

 

Roman's still the ace with an asterisk. I think Rousey is the top star now.

My view of an ace is the fact that the fans have to back the ace look if you hear the chant of roman, roman or alike after mania  then I would view him as the  ace the fans make the ace  along with the booking I use Misawa  as an example if the fans were not behind him would he have became ace  by beating Jumbo in June 1990  ie having the torch passed to him  once baba knew Misawa was over and liked by the fans.
 
My view is the fans make the ace more than or equal to the booking 
 
we have very different views of what makes an ace 
I know wwe  is also a face based promotion so roman need be a face ie getting face pops to be ace in wwe tradition 
 
correct if on not accurate in anyway here 

Does this mean that Cena wasnt the ace in 06-07?

(Wouldve put that all in one post but Im typing on phone and the editing isnt the best)

 

Bruno Face, Hogan face,  Bret Face,  Austin Face and  Cena Face [ until  fans turned on me and wwe refused to make  a new Face/Ace]    wwe has always been a face based promotions as shown 

 

have wwe  changed in some ways yes not enough though  they still will want a face on top  to be being booked as a face and being a face is two very very different things  



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:36 AM

I dunno, to me Reigns is akin to Randy Orton. He's dull as fuck as a babyface. His intro with the slow walk, completely devoid of energy, watching around like he's showered in cheers when in fact he's not, just makes him totally unengaging as a character, as does his work, which I find repetitive and too focused on one spot (with the WWEtm annoying super obvious setup). Like Bruce Prichard would say in his Cornette voice "He's a heel, motherfucker." Just turn the guy already, he could be so much more fun. And at one point, he'd get so hot that the fans would turn him organically. Anyway, he's been pushed forever so of course he's getting big reactions, but he's like Triple H in the early 00's. He's just not the guy, no matter you slice it. Triple H was never Austin nor The Rock. Roman isn't Cena.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:40 AM

I dunno, to me Reigns is akin to Randy Orton. He's dull as fuck as a babyface. His intro with the slow walk, completely devoid of energy, watching around like he's showered in cheers when in fact he's not, just makes him totally unengaging as a character, as does his work, which I find repetitive and too focused on one spot (with the WWEtm annoying super obvious setup). Like Bruce Prichard would say in his Cornette voice "He's a heel, motherfucker." Just turn the guy already, he could be so much more fun. And at one point, he'd get so hot that the fans would turn him organically. Anyway, he's been pushed forever so of course he's getting big reactions, but he's like Triple H in the early 00's. He's just not the guy, no matter you slice it. Triple H was never Austin nor The Rock. Roman isn't Cena.

Could not put in better words than this 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:44 AM

That would be Reigns in 2015. By now he's more than integrated both the cheers and boos into everything. He's thriving on it, he wants the fans to react as loud as possible, and he lets those reactions sink in from the moment he enters the scene up to the moment he raises his arms at the crowd. Plus he puts way more effort into anything Orton does.

 

As for WWE not wanting to book babyface ace champs, I'm not sure. Almost the entirety of AJ's run as champ has been about him being the ace, even when he was a heel and kicked Ambrose in the dick. Balor's kidnapping tenure as NXT champion also had a similar dynamic. They absolutely can position Reigns as the face ace, albeit not one akin to Marine Cena, as in a super positive, ultra clean cut guy. Portraying him as a badass is the way to go, and they are doing so right now.

 

Frankly, there is no reason why he couldn't be that sort of champion with a lenghty reign. He was absolutely tearing the house down on a weekly basis as IC champion, taking just about everyone as a contender. Giving more meat to that role could be very beneficial.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:58 AM

Yeah Roman Reigns is already the ace. Has been for a long while now. The earliest strongest evidence of that was moving Cena to Smackdown so Roman could have more room to himself on Raw. Super positive reactions don't matter to the people that counts-the McMahons. If it mattered, you know we'd be about six months into a long Braun title reign by now.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:16 PM

Super positive reactions don't matter to the people that counts-the McMahons. If it mattered, you know we'd be about six months into a long Braun title reign by now.

 

That's pretty sad, because that's what pro-wrestling was about. Watch who gets over and push the hell out of them. Rusev could be a hot act. Braun should be the Monster Champ. Honestly, this all is a product of the monopoly. With WCW kicking their tale, there's no way WWE spends three Mania main events in a row on Reigns "becoming the Ace".



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:29 PM

Dave has said the post-Mania plan is an extended program with Joe which sounds awesome to me. I was such a Joe fan circa 04-06, to see him after all these years be half of the top feud in WWE, still crazy to me.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:35 PM

I want SummerSlam in Samoa. Seriously now, could you picture the crowd noise ?






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