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Roman Reigns as the ace post-Wrestlemania


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#21 FMKK

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:45 PM

I dunno, to me Reigns is akin to Randy Orton. He's dull as fuck as a babyface. His intro with the slow walk, completely devoid of energy, watching around like he's showered in cheers when in fact he's not, just makes him totally unengaging as a character, as does his work, which I find repetitive and too focused on one spot (with the WWEtm annoying super obvious setup). Like Bruce Prichard would say in his Cornette voice "He's a heel, motherfucker." Just turn the guy already, he could be so much more fun. And at one point, he'd get so hot that the fans would turn him organically. Anyway, he's been pushed forever so of course he's getting big reactions, but he's like Triple H in the early 00's. He's just not the guy, no matter you slice it. Triple H was never Austin nor The Rock. Roman isn't Cena.


They push him as too stoical at times for sure. He entrance would be so much better if he just had a bit more swagger in his walk and demeanour. And a touch of Steve Austin trash talk. Actually, new music would be nice too. An actual popular rap song is probably too much to dream for.

As for the Orton comparison, I think thats unfair to the point of slander. Randy Orton does the Randy Orton match that, depending on his opponent and motivation, ranges from **1/2 - ***1/2. Reigns has had legitimately great matches to the level that Orton never has. Hes worked vulnerable against Strowman, turning in one of the greatest babyface selling performances in company history. Hes worked as a power/bully guy against AJ, Rollins and Balor. Hes done the bloody brawler performances against Lesnar. Hes a great tag worker. Just far more variety and range than Orton has ever shown, and Im not even an Orton hater per se.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 12:55 PM

The Orton comparison was more about his snooze inducing intro routine. But I admit I don't see the great matches at all. I know it's been the consensus around here, but I never been one to care about consensus. I just don't see it. The one Roman match that I enjoyed, and completely thanks to him, was the Taker match last year, where he really held the whole thing together until the ridiculous overdramatic overtones of the ending stretch.

 

To me Roman Reigns in single has mostly been a boring worker. I don't even like his look, I hate the bulletproof vest dating back on Bossman's return in 99. He's a big buffed up tattooed good looking samoan. Show me some of these pecs. Let's be exploitative. Women (and guys) wanna see some sweaty flesh, not lame-ass vigilante outfit.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:20 PM

The fact Triple H is where he is now despite years of pushback on his push, and the fact that John Cena has showed them how a babyface can stay a babyface despite being polarizing, is why I think we will never see that big time babyface ace anymore. Not unless the fans' interests aligned with the bookers' (and no, not Booker T).

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:26 PM

I don't even like his look, I hate the bulletproof vest dating back on Bossman's return in 99. He's a big buffed up tattooed good looking samoan. Show me some of these pecs.

 

I agree 100% and if there was one thing they could to immediately make him look like a bigger star, it's take the vest off. Imagine if Hogan worked with the tank on all those years. 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:31 PM

This is straying from my original intention but I wonder if Roman actually doesnt have that great a body. It is very strange that hes basically never appeared topless on WWE TV

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:37 PM

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:08 PM

This is straying from my original intention but I wonder if Roman actually doesnt have that great a body. It is very strange that hes basically never appeared topless on WWE TV

 

You would think they would use tearing his gear apart as part of a particularly brutal match or angle by now, even if just once.  I don't buy that its due to concerns about his body, but am not sure why they've avoided going that route at some point.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:16 PM

Are people forgetting the second Evolution match? The heels removed Roman's vest during that beat down. I only remember it because a few podcasts covered it at the time, and a lot of them suddenly shifted their thoughts on the subject and were all, "Uhhhh yeeeahhh. He basically looks like the third Uso without the vest."

I really couldn't care any less either way. I understand that they want him to have a definitive, distinctive appearance. I have more of an issue that they don't protect him enough. If this Mania rematch was supposedly this great idea all along, then why the hell was he being booked to take actual pinfall losses to the fucking Miz on consecutive weeks of television as recently as January? It's just 'nanners.

I know diehard fans would play outraged on Twitter or whatever, but imagine how much more this Brock match would appear to matter if it were two protected, strong streaks colliding. Instead, Roman had practically no momentum before he just won one single match and got the shot. Then everyone was suddenly shouting to the rooftops about how it's been this amazing journey and such great storytelling.

Except that it really hasn't been. It's barely been addressed at all since their first match. I mean, sure. They've teased going back to it, but no more than they've teased Brock/Joe, Brock/Braun, or any of his other programs. If you actually just watch the TV and don't subscribe to the insider talk, then you wouldn't really view Roman as anything exceptional lately. He went from losing a lot to getting the Mania shot.

The booking is a much bigger detriment to Roman's top guy status than anything he wears or the way he walks.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 02:41 PM

I wanna second the music. I HATE the fact that he's just adopted the Shield entrance, it makes me angry as soon as it starts by this point, so I'm immediately in a bad mood as soon as I know he comes out.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:22 PM

Agreed and agreed. 

There's nothing to the Roman character that is compelling. Everything is based on the fact people know he's the chosen one IRL.

 

And yeah, the Shield music is just lazy, he never got his own thing. Remember when the Rock broke from the Nation, he had a tweeked version of the theme which evolved into his own.

Everything about the guy just screams "Well, he's just supposed to be the Ace, basically", but you never get the feeling that he actually is like Austin, Rock or Cena were. It's hammered, it's booked, it's executed, but it isn't actually *happening*. And apparently, it doesn't matter because the McMahons are happy the way things are, and the less special their guy on top is, the stronger the brand is to them. They should be thankfull the pro-wrestling crowd is the most faithfull, forgiving bunch out there.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:31 PM

We're something like 5 years into this thing and they're still trying to get him over the hump. We can say he is the ace going forward but we could be in the exact same situation next Mania with everyone saying "this time is for real."



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:33 PM

 

Super positive reactions don't matter to the people that counts-the McMahons. If it mattered, you know we'd be about six months into a long Braun title reign by now.

 

That's pretty sad, because that's what pro-wrestling was about. Watch who gets over and push the hell out of them. Rusev could be a hot act. Braun should be the Monster Champ. Honestly, this all is a product of the monopoly. With WCW kicking their tale, there's no way WWE spends three Mania main events in a row on Reigns "becoming the Ace".

 

 

This is my biggest thing when it comes to Reigns. I don't love the guy, but I think he's a great wrestler and has improved as a promo by leaps and bounds. But so rarely does any wrestling promotion go with the hot hand or stray from the plan. There's no telling what they could have done with Braun if they made him the guy. 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:40 PM

We're something like 5 years into this thing and they're still trying to get him over the hump. We can say he is the ace going forward but we could be in the exact same situation next Mania with everyone saying "this time is for real."


He is over the hump in terms of getting the loudest reactions, having the best matches etc. He's in a cadre with Lesnar, Cena and Strowman who are guaranteed to have their angles do 1 million plus views on YouTube every week for example. All they have to do is actually book the title run everyone has been expecting. Otherwise he's there.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:41 PM

It bothers me that the Reigns/Shield music is the exact same hook as Tazz's WWE theme.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 03:52 PM

Sort of like Ambrose getting the off-brand Benoit theme?

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 04:34 PM

Yeah. I mean, it does make sense. Think about how much original music they've composed under their roof, and how many wrestlers have come and gone. I'm not sure why it annoys me. Maybe it doesn't. I'm taking a nap.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 04:37 PM

If he came out to a new theme on the Raw after Mania that would really signify that he's cemented as the top guy now imo. But so many of their recent themes have been dogshit that I kinda wouldn't trust them to do it unless they licence a real song.



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:36 PM

Are a lot of people shitting on the new music? Is that a thing? Because I've really dug a lot of the new tunes. It's one of the few things that doesn't require a truckload of prefacing or explanation for me to enjoy. Cue the music. Let the guy or gal do his/her entrance, and they tend to nail it. I feel like they've actually got a pretty great track record in that category, actually.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 07:17 PM

It is nuts that this will be his fourth WM main event in a row.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 07:32 PM

My issue with Roman has always been how he's booked like a square peg in a round hole. He was supposed to be the next great babyface, but everything about the guy screams heel charisma. In any other company in any other era they would have turned him heel and made bank, then when he started getting cool heel face reactions turn him back and become the hero. Vince on the other had pretty much turns into the world's oldest toddler when fans don't react the way he wants them to and has a tantrum needing to prove he knows what they want better than they do.






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