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#21 bucky

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:21 PM

LOL at Park having a "resurgence". Dude has literally ripped it up consistently for his entire career, and his very best stuff has been within the last ten years while everyone's just been watching Okada matches and pretending lucha doesn't exist.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:49 AM

Yeah, I think Viking Hall acknowledged this was likely under his radar and that it was always challenging for them to dig into lucha. Even for me, and I fucking love Park and Lucha more broadly, it can be hard to dig in and keep up over large swaths of time. Like I said, I wind up cherrypicking more often than not, but that holds true with most wrestling for me. There is just too damn much for me to really keep pace.

 

I can see how this might seem like a resurgence to someone who hasn't had time to follow his career closely (which isn't exactly the most linear and easy to follow for a variety of reasons) rather than surge in hype for a dude that has been out there crushing it for 20 plus years.

 

 

Anyway, yeah, Park has been doing great stuff for a long while. This "resurgence" is as much as anything people catching up on his greatness as more fans become deep divers into wrestling over the past couple years and his buzz travels a little further into various wrestling circles.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:54 AM

I guess you could point to inconsistency over the years, but is Park the best brawler of the past 20 years? Who am I forgetting?

If you are factoring longevity I am not sure there are too many that could really compete. Necro Butcher might have some claim, but doesn't have the longevity. Peak Black Terry - particularly those 2016 performances - might be an untouchable brawler, but again, putting that up against 20 years is tough to do. I am sure there is someone I am not thinking of and there are probably a ton of under the radar people to consider.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:49 PM

So, despite my avatar, I am  not the best person to ask in terms of timelines for his career. I cherrypick lucha big time. Below are some great Park performances post 2000 that i think are all available on youtube.

 

vs El Hijo Del Santo (1/23/2001)

w/ Haloween and Rey Mysterio Sr. vs Rey Mysterio Jr, Damian 666, and Vampiro (10/26/2001)

vs el Mesias (6/18/2011)

vs Dr. Wagnar Jr (5/11/2013)

vs Rush (7/14/2016 - air: 7/16/2016)

w/ Rey Ecorpion vs Penta el Zero and Daga (3/1/2017)

vs Rush (3/11/2017)

w/ Volador Jr and Flyer vs Rush, La Bestia del Ring, and Terrible (5/25/2018)

 

You could sort of take those in chapters. Those are two all time individual performances from him in 2001 where he is still relatively thin and athletic. His strength here is playing to the crowd and the strength of his opponents. He really is the glue that holds this stuff together.   The 2011 and 2013 matches are ape shit brawls after he has put on some weight, but still gets around pretty well. They are, to me, some standout matches from the time period and really just based on crazy bloody brawling. It has been quite a while since I have seen them, but Park at this time was a peak brawler and made everything so visceral and malice.  The four matches from these past two years are contemporary Park being a fat crazy man. There are lots more matches you could watch, but those would give you a little taste of Park coming into this exciting CMLL/AAA stuff, I think. I would say his greatest strength is bringing a feeling of absolute chaos to matches right now.

 

Cheers for this mate, looks like I've got some watching to do. I actually watched the 6-Man last night after posting this, and while you can certainly see the years catching up with Park he was still able to do some cool stuff and the crowd were absolutely crazy for him. The heat between him and Rush was red hot too and the spot where he's getting whipped with the belt had me cringing, especially when it looked like his face was whipped. Looking forward to digging deeper into someone who I've always found pretty fascinating but lost track with since his days in the U.S. looks like I'm in for a treat.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:00 PM

I guess you could point to inconsistency over the years, but is Park the best brawler of the past 20 years? Who am I forgetting?


I'd take Butcher and Black Terry over LA Park in terms of grittiness and true to form brawling, but Parka is the most consistently entertaining. There's something about his dickbaggery to referees that cracks me up every time.

Sangre Chicana could also fit here, no?

#26 Phil Schneider

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:12 PM

Not in the last 20 years. Chicanas great stuff is all 80s and early 90s

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:31 PM

There is a massive jump in those recommendations from 2001 to 2011, 

 

Watching Parka in Monterrey in 2000 he isn't a great brawler by any stretch of the imagination. I'm interested in revisiting that Santo match to see how much of a classic Santo brawl it is vs. a great Parka performance. 



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:39 PM

We are doing a C+A La Parka over at Segunda Caida, and hopefully will be filling in some of those blanks

 

http://segundacaida....te-la-park.html



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:09 PM

Would love for someone to fill in the gaps, especially that big one between 2001 and 2011. Like I said, I was just listing a hand full good matches that I happen to think of/have notes on and I am not the person to come to for comprehensive career analysis.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:46 PM

Someone needs to book LA Park vs PCO.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:54 PM

Someone needs to book LA Park vs PCO.

I have been saying that for a while... LA Park vs Nick Gage is another match I would very much pay to see.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:12 PM

Friday night's main event is LA Park, Volador Jr, and Rey Fenix Vs. Rush, El Terrible, and Cibernetico.

 

What is going on?



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:19 PM

CMLL is open to bringing in anyone not under contract to AAA at this point. Best to just enjoy the ride as long as we can. 



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:33 PM

 

Someone needs to book LA Park vs PCO.

I have been saying that for a while... LA Park vs Nick Gage is another match I would very much pay to see.

 

My dream match remains LA Park & Pentagon Jr vs The Briscoe Brothers.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:34 PM

CMLL is open to bringing in anyone not under contract to AAA at this point. Best to just enjoy the ride as long as we can. 

 

That's something I can get behind. I've been to all the major shows since late 2016 but if somehow this all leads to the Rush apuestas match, I'd lose my mind.






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