Guest Spunk Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 What you're saying there actually comes across kind of like sour grapes, Spunk. Eh, I just think they are really lame, is all. For the same reasons I don't like reading MMA opinion articles. I agree with you: Sadly, the vast majority of pro wrestling and MMA columns these days are pretty terrible. There are still a few good writers out there, though. Like, if people really had something interesting to say most of the time, I wouldn't mind. But it seems like most of this shit should just be kept to livejournal.com. When Phantom Lord is the standard, you know the world is fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Former WWE writer Pete Doyle comments on Raw championship picture With the great talents that now surround the world title and main events, Cena’s lack of talent is certainly exposed and it makes people realize that when HBK and Triple were out to injuries and Orton and Kennedy had their issues over time, that Cena was basically the best of the worst. I have said this before and will always believe that. You offer the people either Grade C or Grade B, they’ll take Grade B, but right now, with Cena gone, we’re looking at Grade A. You can only shove a guy down the throat of the people once and it will work and that was Hulk Hogan. Austin and Rock, well they were accidents. The people were supposed to hate both of them and WWE tried everything to make that happen, but the fans were starved for the edgy and cool assholes that could exhibit the acts of violence against various authority figures. It’s a new age and it’s time for Cena to go back to the drawing board on his character if he wants to survive in this business. One word – Heel. Sounds silly, but he’d be more over as a heel, given time. Kennedy should be the loner out of all of them and not want to align with either side of the fence. His mic skills and ring ability has him following in the footsteps of Austin and Rock (which I have said before). Creative needs to let him have more control over the character. Orton is the heel who could have a stable of guys behind him, leading the pack with Ric Flair turning heel manager/part time wrestler of the new Four Horsemen. Flair and Orton could then groom other guys as members of the group, establishing them as serious performers. Prime subjects for the group would be Cody Rhodes and D.H. Smith, both along with Orton, the sons of legendary wrestlers. (We’ll leave David Flair out of the equation). Scott Hall? Yes, if he’s clean and fit it might work and would be a coupe for WWE’s efforts of stunting TNA’s growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 It’s a new age and it’s time for Cena to go back to the drawing board on his character if he wants to survive in this business. One word – Heel. Sounds silly, but he’d be more over as a heel, given time. I swear, I will never tire of people complaining that Cena et al. don't fit in with the "new age" of wrestling, not noticing that the "new age" they're describing is 1998. Where were these people back then? "Austin's black trunks/black boots working class shtick is so 1970's. Everyone knows this bold new era of wrestling needs the Saturday morning cartoon stylings of guys like Hogan and Savage and Sting. Although I don't know why those guys are so drab these days. They need to go back to the drawing board on their characters if they wants to survive in this business. One word. Day-Glo. Sounds silly, but that's what the kids are into these days. Not sure why they changed that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 That guy was a WWE writer? Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 So was Vince Russo. He too was known for directly ignoring the fans wishes to write (or in Doyle's case wanting to write) a show that fitted his own personal tastes and relied heavily on outdated nostalgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 That guy was a WWE writer? Jesus. On a certain level, I'd like to think that Doyle is actually some nouveau Smoeater, lying about his credentials but fooling Meltzer by telling him what he wants to hear so that he chooses to believe him. But I'd also like to think that Dave knows better than to fall for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 You know, reading stuff like this, it's pretty apparent why this fellow is no longer a WWE writer. Well, either that, or his desire to have a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 You know, reading stuff like this, it's pretty apparent why this fellow is no longer a WWE writer. Well, either that, or his desire to have a life. At the risk of calling the kettle black, something about the nature of his grievances makes me think having a life isn't a major priority for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Soon, he will share his new and original thoughts that clean finishes are preferred over DQs, that wrestling is better than talking, that there needs to be more emphasis on titles, tag teams and/or cruiserweights, that HHH gets special treatment, that it's bad business to give away big matches on free television, that the money is in the chase, that banning moves is an attempt to bury smaller guys, that everything needs to "MEAN SOMETHING", that the IC title used to be this great belt that meant something, that more precautions should be taken to ensure safety of wrestlers and that Jerry McDevitt is not a nice person. I personally can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Loss forgot to mention those old chestnuts that the kids of today don't have any respect for the veterans in the back and the territories must be brought back by WWE so that some respect can be starved and beaten into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 There's a pretty funny (unintentionally of course) column up making the case for the return of jobbers being what wrestling needs to make new stars. There's actually a valid point to be made that dudes were made to look like a million dollars by squashing jobbers on syndicated shows, but there's no way fans today are going to accept the return of Mulkeymania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 There's a pretty funny (unintentionally of course) column up making the case for the return of jobbers being what wrestling needs to make new stars. There's actually a valid point to be made that dudes were made to look like a million dollars by squashing jobbers on syndicated shows, but there's no way fans today are going to accept the return of Mulkeymania. Throwing a jobber squash or two into Raw/Smackdown/ECW when necessary would work just fine to build guys. Oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Ok I'm way behind on tivo but haven't they been using jobbers pretty consistently. Masters was fed jobbers. Rodney Mack was fed jobbers. Angle was fed jobers. The Major Brothers, Deuce and domino, Shnitsky, Khali, Mark Henry, Viscera, etc all fed jobbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Ok I'm way behind on tivo but haven't they been using jobbers pretty consistently. Masters was fed jobbers. Rodney Mack was fed jobbers. Angle was fed jobers. The Major Brothers, Deuce and domino, Shnitsky, Khali, Mark Henry, Viscera, etc all fed jobbers. True, but keep in mind that the people writing these pieces are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Seriously, fuck this guy. I mean, I'm sure 99.9999999% of the people buying the WCCW DVD know the dirty details, does anyone really think WWE was going to do a Heroes of World Class style "look at the destruction of a whole family as well as a promotion" take on things at this particular point in time? If anything, it's kind of admirable in a somewhat awkward way that they're trying to use this as as Say No To Drugs lesson. I mean, what would an all-out slam job on Fritz do at this point? Kevin may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the fact that he didn't go all Benoit is frankly one of the amazing things I've ever heard. The story is what it is, and trying to make it a cautionary tale is probably the best way they could have handled it IMO. Maybe it's just me, but the way this guy has such a sarcastic tone over the WWE apparently trying to make the WCCW story into something....well I don't know if you'd call it "positive" , is kind if sickening. It's like he was disappointed there wasn't more gory details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 The "I don't even like to call it a style" line from HHH is likely intended to be a cheapshot at Foley. WWE documentaries aren't about facts, they're about creating and keeping a narrative going. Anyone who counts on WWE to tell the truth about anything in something they're producing for entertainment purposes is naive. Lying is part of wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 The irony is, of course, that Triple H is much better at the hardcore style he disses than working a straight up wrestling match with no gimmicks whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Outside of royal Rumbles when has he last worked a PPV match without blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Seriously, fuck this guy. Triple H is all over the DVD, for some reason, and takes great delight in dissing "the hard-core style...well, I don't even like to call it a style" while talking about Bruiser Brody and Abdullah The Butcher. He also says the classic lesson learned from the Von Erich story is “don’t do drugs”…I found that an ironic statement. How is that "ironic?" Isn't HHH the one guy pretty much thought to be relatively clean? Or is that a work, too? Or maybe the writer, like most people, doesn't grasp the meaning of the word "ironic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Maybe he meant in a larger "LOL @ WWE for making an anti drug statement when their guys keep lying about their drug free status" way, but that's probably giving the writer too much credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Probably because HHH got his physique from saying prayers and taking vitamins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Ha! Oh, right. You can tell wrestling is a fucked-up industry when I didn't consider vitamin S when thinking "say no to drugs." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BilJim2 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Yeah, he's torn at least two muscles off of the bone, but he's doing to get on some high horse about the Von Erichs and THEIR drug use?? Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Simply put, wrestlers don't consider steroids to be a "real" drug. Because if they did, that would mean that damn near 100% of the full-time workers would be considered longterm drug users. The guys who take steroids but don't drink or do recreational drugs tend to look down on those who do. EDIT: and oh yeah, "vitamin S", now THAT's funny. Consider it stolen the next time I'm talking about the juice on any other board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 They don't consider pain killers or sleeping pills to be "real drugs" either. Of course when I was a kid, people didn't think of coke as a "hard drug". Recreational fun... harmless. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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