sek69 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Coming out on November 27: Shawn Michaels vs. Billy Jack Haynes WCCW 11/1/85 AWA Tag Team Championship Match The Midnight Rockers vs. Buddy Rose & Doug Somers AWA 10/2/87 AWA Tag Team Championship Match The Midnight Rockers vs. Super Ninja & Ninja Go AWA 12/6/87 The Rockers vs. The Brainbusters MSG 23/1/89 WWE Tag Team Championship (2 out of 3 falls) The Rockers vs. The Hart Foundation October 1990 The Rockers vs. Orient Express Royal Rumble 19/1/91 Intercontinental Championship Match Shawn Michaels vs. The British Bulldog Saturday Night’s Main Event 8/11/92 Shawn Michaels enters #1 and wins the Rumble Royal Rumble 22/1/95 Intercontinental Championship Match Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Jarrett In Your House 23/7/95 WWE Championship Match Shawn Michaels vs. The British Bulldog King of the Ring 23/6/96 World Heavyweight Championship Match Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H RAW 29/12/03 The Rockers vs. La Resistance RAW 14/3/05 Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle Vengeance 26/6/05 Shawn Michaels vs. John Cena RAW 23/4/07 Promos RAW 4/4/94 - Heartbreak Hotel Tell Me A Lie Music Video RAW 1/8/05 - Larry King Spoof Deleted Scenes Wrestling Academy Bible Teacher Colorado Expedition Who’s the Greatest “Wrestler”? Stories High School Prankster High School Talent Show Letter Jacket Mom’s Approval The Bruise The Rockers “Fight” This Is a Little Higher Than I Thought Brown Pants Oh man, the infamous phantom title change, a WCCW squash, the Rockers comeback match, and the Tell Me A Lie video. This could be the greatest WWE DVD ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 "Tell Me A Lie" was included on From the Vault, fwiw. I agree that this DVD set looks great though. As far as matchlists go, it's probably the best one they've done in a long time. Seems like they put more than 10 seconds of thought into picking the matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 A dvd set full of matches which haven't already been released on other WWE dvds? Who are you, what have you done with Vince, and can you leave him there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 A dvd set full of matches which haven't already been released on other WWE dvds? Who are you, what have you done with Vince, and can you leave him there? Haha yeah like EVIL VINCE picks what goes on DVDs. CHRIST. Also, that Royal Rumble has been on the Royal Rumble box set, and some of these matches were on the Michaels "From the Vault" DVD, so commence bitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well I'm just happy whenever WWE remembers they own AWA footage that's newer than 1973. Also, I have "From the Vault" and a quick glance at the matchlist doesn't seem to show any duplicate matches. FTV has the Rockers vs Rose/Summers bloodbath match but this set has the actual title change a year later. It does have the Tell Me A Lie video, but if I was in charge that would be on every DVD. I'm a little surprised they don't ever include the Survivor Series 97 match. Yeah I know, everyone's sick of talking about Montreal but I don't think a lot of people have actually seen that match. Pretty much if you didn't watch it on PPV or subscribe to WWE 24/7 you haven't seen it. It wasn't on Bret's DVD either. It was a pretty good match until You Know What happened, and it is a fairly pivotal moment in history, so it's a little surprising that there's been 3 DVD sets between the two principals (4 if you count the McMahon DVD) and not once has that match appeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well I'm just happy whenever WWE remembers they own AWA footage that's newer than 1973. Also, I have "From the Vault" and a quick glance at the matchlist doesn't seem to show any duplicate matches. FTV has the Rockers vs Rose/Summers bloodbath match but this set has the actual title change a year later. It does have the Tell Me A Lie video, but if I was in charge that would be on every DVD. I'm a little surprised they don't ever include the Survivor Series 97 match. Yeah I know, everyone's sick of talking about Montreal but I don't think a lot of people have actually seen that match. Pretty much if you didn't watch it on PPV or subscribe to WWE 24/7 you haven't seen it. It wasn't on Bret's DVD either. It was a pretty good match until You Know What happened, and it is a fairly pivotal moment in history, so it's a little surprising that there's been 3 DVD sets between the two principals (4 if you count the McMahon DVD) and not once has that match appeared. My bad on the Rockers/Rose & Sommers match. I thought it was the same one. Maybe they're saving the Survivor Series 97 match for a "Montreal Screwjob" DVD. A DVD full of matches and angles leading up to That Fateful Night, with a nice documentary with comments from the principals, would be kind of cool. I doubt Bret would be on board for it, but they probably have enough footage from the sessions he did for his own DVD set that they could whip something up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 FWIW, the Screwjob match in its entirety was on the Best Of Confidential Vol. 1 DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 A Montreal DVD with interviews from Bret, Vince, and Shawn, with documentary and highlights of the build up and stuff would be the shit! But it'll probably never see the light of day. Who knows? Maybe the ten year mark will give Bret the idea that it's over and done and he needs to let it go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 A Montreal DVD with interviews from Bret, Vince, and Shawn, with documentary and highlights of the build up and stuff would be the shit! But it'll probably never see the light of day. Who knows? Maybe the ten year mark will give Bret the idea that it's over and done and he needs to let it go? HA. You catch on quick to that sarcasm thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 BTW, Scott Keith's an idiot, but you guys all knew that. He mentions on his blog that he believes Super Ninja is Keiji Mutoh. It's actually Shunji Takano who's Super Ninja in the tag match listed. They did a good job choosing odd gems for this DVD like the World Class match, the phantom title switch, amongst others that the DVD feels kinda incomplete without the Beware Of Dog match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Unholy Dragon Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Holy shit...having From the Vault doesn't mean that I don't need to buy this. I concur with the "Where's Vince?" comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 A dvd set full of matches which haven't already been released on other WWE dvds? Who are you, what have you done with Vince, and can you leave him there? Haha yeah like EVIL VINCE picks what goes on DVDs. CHRIST. It's a lot easier to type and a lot more of a cheap shot which amuses me than "Who are you, what have you done with the variety of unknown faceless office executives, television writers, and technical workers whom the WWE happens to employ at Titan Towers in order to put their DVDs together, and can you leave them there?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 To be fair, it's pretty obvious that everything WWE does is either at Vince's insistence or for his pleasure. So even if he doesn't hand pick matches for DVDs, the people who pick them have "What Would Vince Do" as their main thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I got this the other day, and all I have to say is I hope no one ever lets Bret Hart see the documentary or else he'll have another stroke. HHH relays the tale of him, HBK, and Vince sitting around figuring out what they're going to do in Montreal and Hunter says to Vince "fuck him, if he won't do business then make him do business". Then the rest of the Montreal discussion is about how Bret needs to stop being a baby and forgive Shawn already. I mean, I generally don't take Bret's side in the Great Montreal Debate and even I was thinking "damn, way to pile on a brotha". Despite that, there's some pretty good stuff. Finding out Kevin Nash played peacemaker to get HBK and HHH talking again after falling out for a year (over HBK showing up to work loaded) was unexpectedly fun to hear about. They kind of come clean about the clique too, the "we didn't really have power, we just gave honest opinions" line was used, but pretty much everyone else chimed in how they grew tired of their bullshit after a while. The stuff with Marty was a little sad since he comes off as a guy who realizes he had a chance to be bigger than he was and fucked it all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 I got this the other day, and all I have to say is I hope no one ever lets Bret Hart see the documentary or else he'll have another stroke. HHH relays the tale of him, HBK, and Vince sitting around figuring out what they're going to do in Montreal and Hunter says to Vince "fuck him, if he won't do business then make him do business". Then the rest of the Montreal discussion is about how Bret needs to stop being a baby and forgive Shawn already. I mean, I generally don't take Bret's side in the Great Montreal Debate and even I was thinking "damn, way to pile on a brotha". I don't think they piled on Bret that much. Sure, there was Hunter's comment, but that was the same thing that was said in Shawn's book, but I think that was the worst of it. The "Bret should forgive" comment was really only from Ted DiBiase, IIRC, and he said "to my understanding" that Shawn was the only one trying to mend fences. Bret's been buried far, far worse by the company. Despite that, there's some pretty good stuff. Finding out Kevin Nash played peacemaker to get HBK and HHH talking again after falling out for a year (over HBK showing up to work loaded) was unexpectedly fun to hear about. They kind of come clean about the clique too, the "we didn't really have power, we just gave honest opinions" line was used, but pretty much everyone else chimed in how they grew tired of their bullshit after a while. The stuff with Marty was a little sad since he comes off as a guy who realizes he had a chance to be bigger than he was and fucked it all up. I also liked how Steve Austin said how Shawn Michaels, leading up to WM14, didn't want to lose the title to anyone and I wasn't aware about how Michaels' actions during that outdoor segment with Austin, DX, and Tyson pissed Vince off. Also, HHH bringing up Undertaker having it to here with Shawn after he showed up loaded was unexpected to hear as well in this documentary, so kudos to the WWE for those additions. Agreed on Jannetty. Even worse, he was very incoherent in his comments. Very slurred speech. Watching that, then watching his old footage, shows you how far that guy has fallen over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 I'll leave comments about the program itself to the side, except that Shawn took the best potshot of all over the "losing his smile" fiasco. The tag matches on this set are just utterly fantastic. I was surprised how good the Super Ninja/Ninja Go match was. Rockers/Brainbusters delivered. Rockers/Orient Express is a great match. Even Rockers/Hart Foundation, which I expected to be a trainwreck, was a good outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Regarding Montreal: (1) Shawn has never apologized or asked for forgiveness. (2) Shawn doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. So why would Bret just voluntarily forgive Shawn when he still doesn't even seem to feel all that bad that it happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Seriously, Bret shouldn't have been surprised that Vince ended up doing what he did when backed into a corner. I mean, anyone here has a sense of how crazy he is, surely a 12 or so year employee would have known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Regarding Montreal: (1) Shawn has never apologized or asked for forgiveness. (2) Shawn doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. So why would Bret just voluntarily forgive Shawn when he still doesn't even seem to feel all that bad that it happened? I hear ya and Shawn did say he's not sorry, but Bret's publically said that he'll never forgive anyone involved, and especially not Shawn or HHH. I'm not trying to take Shawn's side of things, but it's not like Bret hasn't been close-minded in his own way. I think he also said that he doesn't think Shawn would be serious in his apology. While he hasn't apologized, either, Shawn did congratulate Bret on his WWE Hall Of Fame induction, inspite of Bret threatening to walk out if he saw Shawn there (which, I understand, Shawn instigated). I think it's things like that where Ted DiBiase is referring to where Shawn is attempting to make peace with Bret. At the same time, while Bret said he wouldn't forgive, he doesn't come across as being bitter still, which was what was implied in the Shawn documentary (including by DiBiase). So that part doesn't help things either. It's too bad, because once upon a time in the early '90s or so, these two were almost the best of friends backstage and respected each other greatly. (In his book, Bret tells a story about all 8 guys in the Survivor Series '93 match planning things out, Bruce getting indignant about something, and Shawn telling Bruce, "Look, if my brother was one of the best wrestlers in the world today, I'd be listening to him!") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Seriously, Bret shouldn't have been surprised that Vince ended up doing what he did when backed into a corner. How exactly was he backed into a corner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Seriously, Bret shouldn't have been surprised that Vince ended up doing what he did when backed into a corner. How exactly was he backed into a corner? Well he really wasn't, but in Vince's mind he was. I don't know if WCW was really in his head that much, or if it's more WWE revisionist history, but he seemed convinced at the time that Bret going was the key of some fiendish plot to bring the WWF to its knees. Has it ever really come out why Vince went from being OK with Bret dropping the belt at the December 97 PPV to "OMG LOSE NOW"? Was it all HHH/HBK convincing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 There's a reason the term "Vince-logic" has made its rounds on the internet. He thinks quite differently than a lot of other people do. I actually think he legitimately believes he was backed into a corner at that time, in the same way he believes that Ted Turner was out to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunning_grover Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 I liked how there was a special portion on the DVDs where Triple H, Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho talked about Shawn's horrible brown pants from Survivor Series 2002. That and all those (Midnight) Rockers matches were the biggest highlights for me. BTW, Scott Keith's an idiot, but you guys all knew that. He mentions on his blog that he believes Super Ninja is Keiji Mutoh. It's actually Shunji Takano who's Super Ninja in the tag match listed.Yeah. And Ninja Go is Ryuma Go, right? I liked that match quite a lot. By the way, is that a Nazi swastika Super Ninja was having on his gloves (if so, I guess that's to make him look evil)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Just because Mutoh wrestled as Super Ninja in Florida back in 1986 or so, Scooter thinks every Super Ninja is Mutoh despite it being a pretty common Generic Japanese Wrestler name of the time. Honestly, I think missing out on the Rockers was just as big a blunder for the AWA as losing Hogan. At least Verne seemed to realize Hogan might be something, nothing showed how out of touch he was as the famous story of them trying to explain their team name and Verne thinking they meant "rockers" as in "rocking chairs". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 I sort of see how Vince could think he was backed into a corner. If Bret is still on WWF TV with the title, especially at a taped show, and Bischoff goes on a live Nitro and announces that WCW has signed Hart, the WWF is basically screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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