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Ok what exactly is the problem with Michael Cole?

I've never liked him, for a variety of reasons. He always sounded phony and insincere to me (yes, I know, but I mean even by wrestling's standards). His attempts to get over various Announcer Catchphrases came off as even lamer than Ross and Styles doing the same thing. I'd agree that he's gotten better over the years, while Tenay has gotten radically worse. It seems like these awards are often treated more like a Lifetime Achievement deal rather than confining their judgement to solely what has been presented over the past year. Hence the votes for Grisham and Coach, when technically they haven't even been television announcers during the voting period.

 

Who rates Khali???

 

Again, the voters mistake "Most Overrated" for "most untalented guy in a high-up spot in a company."

That actually is Meltzer's definition for the award, though. Not that that makes Khali overrated, anyway.
I'm confused, are you saying that the "low talent, high on the card" definition doesn't fit Khali?

 

No, I meant that "overrated," usually, means that something has been rated too highly in the first place. I don't see anyone saying Khali is great and thus, it's incorrect to call him "overrated." I didn't know Dave changed the definition, as it related to the WON awards, to mean "guy whose spot is disproportionate to his talent." I just thought the voters hijacked it every year to protest guys they didn't like or to dismiss guys who didn't fit a narrow definition of "good worker." Maybe there should be separate awards for this vs a true "most overrated" that actually does point out the times where the king is not wearing clothes. I think that would probably generate more discussion than just bleating "lol khali is teh sux0r!!11one."

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I just can't listen to Michael Cole, he's a disaster. I never again want to hear him refer to a match as 'this thing'. I never again want to watch a heel cheat to win and hear Cole shout 'he just stole one'. I never again want to go to a commercial break with his assertion that 'the match hangs in the balance'.

 

He's terrible.

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I just can't listen to Michael Cole, he's a disaster. I never again want to hear him refer to a match as 'this thing'. I never again want to watch a heel cheat to win and hear Cole shout 'he just stole one'. I never again want to go to a commercial break with his assertion that 'the match hangs in the balance'.

 

He's terrible.

You just hate him because he's black

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I just can't listen to Michael Cole, he's a disaster. I never again want to hear him refer to a match as 'this thing'. I never again want to watch a heel cheat to win and hear Cole shout 'he just stole one'. I never again want to go to a commercial break with his assertion that 'the match hangs in the balance'.

 

He's terrible.

You just hate him because he's black

 

I forget, does anarchistxx hate gays, too?

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I definitely can't think of a play-by-play announcer going right now that I like as well as Cole. J.R. and Styles have stronger personalities, but they don't service stuff as well... Tenay's the worst thing going... serious ROH Prazak doesn't do much for me. Cole seems kinda dopy, but he gets the right stuff across. Works for me.

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I may have asked this before, but why was Backlund as WWF champion the Most Disgusting Tactic of 1982? Was that just an especially chill year in wrestling where no one did anything scummy? I mean, Bob may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it was a disgusting tactic.

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I may have asked this before, but why was Backlund as WWF champion the Most Disgusting Tactic of 1982? Was that just an especially chill year in wrestling where no one did anything scummy? I mean, Bob may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it was a disgusting tactic.

I'm not sure what it would be offhand, but there must have been a more disgusting promotional tactic in 1982. Meltzer just really, really hated Backlund, and well, we've seen how his readers tend to take his opinions to heart when voting in the year-end awards.

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I may have asked this before, but why was Backlund as WWF champion the Most Disgusting Tactic of 1982? Was that just an especially chill year in wrestling where no one did anything scummy? I mean, Bob may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it was a disgusting tactic.

I linked in this thread at Classics to a couple of earlier ones on the topic:

 

Backlund in the 1982 Observer question?

 

 

I was incorrect in the second thread linked that it meant the end of Bob's chances of getting in the HOF. :)

 

 

John

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I may have asked this before, but why was Backlund as WWF champion the Most Disgusting Tactic of 1982? Was that just an especially chill year in wrestling where no one did anything scummy? I mean, Bob may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it was a disgusting tactic.

I linked in this thread at Classics to a couple of earlier ones on the topic:

 

Backlund in the 1982 Observer question?

 

 

I was incorrect in the second thread linked that it meant the end of Bob's chances of getting in the HOF. :)

 

 

John

 

Care to c&p the meat of the argument? I don't feel like getting malware from the Sunshine State.

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WC got rid of the spyware.

 

As far as this year's awards go, is it just me or was Dave really weirdly emo about the placements he didn't like, especially when it came to TNA winning worst TV show? Whining that a few weeks of one bad feud made ECW the worst and how TNA must be better because its ratings went up a little and ECW's went down a lot was strange and out of place.

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WC got rid of the spyware.

They still have the most noxious part: the posters. I'm currently in an arguement over there in which people are claiming that the WWE has never been racist in its depiction of minorities. I bring up Saba Simba and a bunch of other examples, and get "well, those are just gimmicks, aren't supposed to take 'em SERIOUS or nothin" in return.
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Reading through the Backlund stuff, he reminds me a lot of a Bert Blyleven/Tim Raines-type Hall of Fame candidate, who has his supporters who point to facts (great draw at MSG, above average or better worker during most of his title reign with great matches against this, that, or the other opponent, etc) and his detractors use generalities that don't mean anything (like "I was there for Backlund's title reign and he never felt like a Hall of Famer") to make the case against him. As a Blyleven/Raines supporter for the Baseball Hall of Fame, I hope their voters are as progressive as WON Hall of Fame voters would eventually prove to be and put them in the Hall of Fame eventually. I guess that makes Superstar Graham the Jim Rice of the WON Hall of Fame (assuming Rice is voted in next year, which is almost a stone cold lock)?

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Reading through the Backlund stuff, he reminds me a lot of a Bert Blyleven/Tim Raines-type Hall of Fame candidate, who has his supporters who point to facts (great draw at MSG, above average or better worker during most of his title reign with great matches against this, that, or the other opponent, etc) and his detractors use generalities that don't mean anything (like "I was there for Backlund's title reign and he never felt like a Hall of Famer") to make the case against him. As a Blyleven/Raines supporter for the Baseball Hall of Fame, I hope their voters are as progressive as WON Hall of Fame voters would eventually prove to be and put them in the Hall of Fame eventually. I guess that makes Superstar Graham the Jim Rice of the WON Hall of Fame (assuming Rice is voted in next year, which is almost a stone cold lock)?

Graham's at least a legit HOFer. Rice isn't within a thousand miles based on skill alone. I do agree with the general statement though. Too many people look at this things based on gut emotions and then formulate their arguments and facts afterwards.
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As far as this year's awards go, is it just me or was Dave really weirdly emo about the placements he didn't like, especially when it came to TNA winning worst TV show? Whining that a few weeks of one bad feud made ECW the worst and how TNA must be better because its ratings went up a little and ECW's went down a lot was strange and out of place.

His response paragraphs were really embarrasing this year. I mean last year I don't remember them being as laugh out loud funny. Not just emo in the sense that he came off genuinely emotionally hurt that "the wrong guy won" but in the contradictions form one response to the next (this time comparing apples to oranges means we shouldn't compare them, this time it means we've compared them incorrectly), the abolutely nut ball arguments about why voters were wrong about most overrated or underrated, how he thought international expansion was reason that Vince was candidate for best promoter, that Tenay and Styles low votes as best announcer were due to bad product, the whole TNA vs. ECW thing, etc etc.

 

And EMLL having a better year in 2007 then 20006?

 

Each response brought more laughs than the last.

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