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Paul Jacobi

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  1. Bischoff had a nice run in 98, but WWE had higher profits in multiple years. Breakdown is here: http://www.gerweck.net/information/wwe-business-history/ Most insane is the 84 million in wrestling profit in FY 00-01 (excluding the XFL losses). Just an absolutely incredible run from 98-01
  2. Related question: have the heels ever dominated a WWE PPV so thoroughly before? Backlash 2000. The heel won in every championship match. I'm pretty sure Rock beat Triple H in the biggest championship match on that one
  3. the lyrics are somebody's gonna get they ass kicked, not whipped.
  4. We're seriously counting Lawler drawing a few 2-3k (3 being generous) crowds as a feather in his cap? That's ridiculous. Most WWE crowds draw double to triple that. US only, Cena, and perhaps Punk and maybe Henry have a case.
  5. I'm not sure Swagger, who's had a title run, has ever been pushed to be as important as Beefcake was when he was pushed to be his most important. It's not even something to question, Swagger was probably the underpushed champion they've had in the last decade, a complete and total afterthought though the booking of Christian this year post title win gives it a run too.
  6. I'm guessing you mean peak as a worker for Snow right? That's probably true. For his overall career though, it's hard to say his 'peak' was his main event run in ECW with head a few years later and his role as Foley's buddy after that. Yes, his peak as a worker. Not that his run as Foley's second is anything to point to as a peak of anything. This is where we'll have to disagree. Being a second for a legit main eventer, during perhaps the hottest period for the most successful company in history, as well as being a semi credible midcarder is more than a lot of people get. They even got a brief tag title run when those belts at least meant a little.
  7. I'm guessing you mean peak as a worker for Snow right? That's probably true. For his overall career though, it's hard to say his 'peak' was his main event run in ECW with head a few years later and his role as Foley's buddy after that.
  8. You, and a lot of people, need to stop looking at the world through narrow, Pro Wrestling Goggles. CBS pushed Auburn in 2010. Why? The story developed over the course of the year that they were good and had Cam. 2009 Auburn Appearances on CBS November 27 - (2) Alabama at Auburn, 2:30 (ALA 26, AUB 21) That would be the Iron Bowl, which CBS has carried nearly every year since 2000. Other than that... Auburn was a mediocre team that didn't play much of a role in SEC Storylines. 2010 Auburn Appearances on CBS October 16 - (12) Arkansas at (7) Auburn, 3:30 (AUB 65, ARK 43) October 23 - (6) LSU at (5) Auburn, 3:30 (AUB 24, LSU 17) November 13 - Georgia at (2) Auburn, 3:30 (AUB 49, UGA 31) November 26 - (2) Auburn at (9) Alabama, 2:30 (AUB 28, ALA 27) I'm leaving out the SEC Title Game, which CBS had no choice on carrying it: they simply do. Auburn was a storyline. They ended up making a run to the Title. They got covered. This isn't "pro wrestling booking". It's TV Sports. Go back and look at how many national Sunday Night and Monday Night TV games the Vikings got once Farve showed up, and then how they were flexed onto NBC down the stretch in that first year. Same with the Jets with Farve got there that first year. How much more do the Saints get onto TV since Peyton/Brees got there and turned them into a contender? Dave sees this through Pro Wrestling Goggles because first and foremost in his life, he's been an obsessive wrestling fan. It's consumed his life for the majority of his childhood, and the overwhelming majority of his adult life. He'll claim that he followed other sports, but to those of us who are insane hardcore fans of a wide variety of sports, Dave really is a piker on sports. A lot of us also see some things through Pro Wrestling Goggles because we've become obsessive wrestling fans during our life. But a lot of us have sports perspectives that predate become wrestling fans, and have spent most of our obsessive wrestling fandom also remaining obsessive sports fans. We've seen decades of how Sports Leagues, Sports Teams, Sports Players and Sports TV promote their product. Every time we see something like Shaq vs Kobe being promoted after Shaq left the Lakers, we don't instantly view it from the view point of: "Holy shit... the NBA is promoting this exactly like Bruno vs Larry, with Shaq as the legendary babyface and Kobe being the punky young protege going heel. Stern's even better than this than Vince!!!!" Or look at Farve vs Rogers as some pro wrestling angle. Sports Reality: the Miami Heat got a bigger TV push when Riley & Zo were good there, then fell off when the team slid, then got a monster push when Shaq went there, then fell off when the team slid, and then got the main event push again last year when Lebron went there. It's not pro wrestling. It's the way TV Sports has been covering this shit for decades. Pete Rozell was doing this shit before Bill Watts took over Mid South, and if you look at the ratings... he was doing this shit better than Watts. I got Tebow push today. Like Vick was before him. Like Manning was before him. Like Farve was before him. Like Aikman was before him. Like Marino was before him. Like Montana was before him. Like Fouts was before him. Like Bert Jones was before him. Like Staubach was before him. Like Tarkenton was before him. Like Namath was before him. I'd go back further, but I started watching the NFL in 1971 when I was 5, so it's hard for me to put out more personal memories than that. The thing is: Dave, and you, would think that Tebow getting put on my TV over some other bland team today would be because it's Pro Wrestling Style Promoting. To which I'd say: That's hitting the bong. It's what the NFL always has done. What Dana is doing isn't Pro Wrestling. It's what sports do, and what the rest of the entertainment world does. Pay attention to the Grammys show this year and who gets to perform on it. Then go back and look at the performers over the past 20 years. Current hot stars always get put on it, mixed in with some Legends who might draw their fans. Guys like Christopher Cross have had a hard time getting on the Grammys since he took that big, flukey haul of 5 Grammys one year. Pro wrestling? Or just the music and entertainment business? For the life of me, I don't know why I have to explain this to anyone. It's fucking obvious to anyone who doesn't have blinders on. John John, In the NFL, NBA, MLB etc, a team *has* to win out in order to win their championship. In the end, the Cards won the Series because they had to beat everyone. Mavs, Bruins, etc In this case, guys aren't even getting the opportunity. UFC has been doing shit like this for years to guys like John Fitch and Carlos Condit, in not even giving them the chance. That's far different, and if you can't see that, then you're the one with the blinders on.
  9. You can criticize Dave all you want John, but this is an example of UFC not exactly acting like a true 'sport' in terms of their booking. Diaz was a total flake for months, got demoted, another less exciting fighter got slotted in, and low and behold, UFC abruptly drops him in favor of the more charismatic (and frankly crazy) one.
  10. I'm referencing WWF as kjh had mentioned not running the Garden or Spectrum monthly as a reason for the WWF peak in '98-01 not possibly being bigger than '77-84. Though for all of wrestling, the WWF made more in those years than any territory probably made in their entire history, so there's an argument to be made financially that it was a far better time business wise, but it's difficult to compare the revenue streams and the change in culture.
  11. By '98-'01 they were a national promotion. Not saying it was a hotter period overall for wrestling, but there is a reason why they ran one specific arena less. Well, my point was every major arena was run less. Philadelphia was run seven times by the big two in '98, whereas the old WWF ran the Spectrum 10 times a year. In the whole state of Tennessee in '98 the WWF ran two shows and WCW eleven. Less people were attending wrestling events because less shows were being held. In a lot of markets less people were watching on TV too. To suggest the peak WWF wasn't higher in '98-01 is absolutely nuts. I'm going to use rough estimates. 77-84, they're lucky to draw 100k fans to the house shows a month (combining Bos, NYC, PHI at say 10-15k per big arena per month plus alll spot shows etc You have a few hundred thousand watching regional tv in your loop (Bos, DC, PHI, NYC, and a few other markets) In '98-01, you have the PPV to replace that with anywhere from 250-800 (or more) depending on which PPV was what month, plus all the house show numbers wihch are on fire *across the country* plus 5-6 million wathcing your tv each week. It's not even a comparison. The increase in exposure, attendance and paying customers in the boom is staggering. If you want to argue is the wrestling business healthier in '83 rather than '99, that's another debate, and not a totally fair one when considering the notion that the business was going to constrict based on cable and national expansion (which Dave has spoken about numerous times).
  12. Was it really 'hotter' than say '98-01? It may be comparing apples to oranges, but the insane amount of people watching 2 companies during that boom and the WWF shattering thier own attendance records across the country is something we'll probably never see again.
  13. Rockers vs. Powers of Pain from 1/15/90 at MSG is a nice big/small tag formula match. Also, 1990 is pretty much the end of the Midnight Express, so their matches vs. the RnR Express at WrestleWat, Pillman and Zenk at Capitol Combat as well as the Southern Boys Bash match are nice representatives. Flair's year should be interesting to track as well as you get the early stuff with the turn on Sting---Luger---loss to Sting----phase down----side feud with Doom----Black Scorpion.
  14. Even from the audio, Dave mentioned he didn't vote for Doc, but I think admitted he 'saw his case' and that if all the Japanese people thought he belonged, he accepts that.
  15. Are you simply making this up? Please provide actual numbers instead of going on hearsay. Angle vs Samoa Joe is the highest drawing PPV in TNA history. The # they did was 60k buys as reported in the observer several times. That's higher than any PPV number Sting has ever drawn in TNA. Undertaker/Austin drew the highest Summerslam in history in 1998. I guess Taker had nothing to do with that either. He also was in the highest rated Raw segment *ever* in 1999 ( 9.2 rating) and drew a good buy vs Austin again at Fully Loaded that year.
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