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  1. I LOVE that Andre/Slaughter match. I'd recommend Hogan/Andre from the 3/21/81 Philly show as well (same night as Slaughter/Backlund in the cage). Almost couldn't imagine they have a better match against each other. Also Andre/Patterson vs. Patera/Bobby Duncum Jr 3/24/80.
  2. Bruno/Patera 3/7/77 is the best Bruno match we have on tape imo. I prefer a few of the Bruno/Graham matches, the 86 Savage/Adonis vs. Bruno/Tito cage, and most of the Zbyszko feud to this Bruno/Hansen as well. I do like it, though.
  3. I thought these two ruled here and am at a point where I might have to be talked out of Valentine being top 50 all time. He's an excellent seller, especially bouncing against the ropes, and feels like he has the secret to making it look like a smaller opponent is actually driving him in a direction he doesn't want to go in. This is obviously to say nothing of the no-nonsense stiff elbows, clubs, knees, etc, which can kill the opponent's momentum immediately and believably. The first fall naturally starts tentatively and I don't know how many times I've rewound the first move in any match, but that dive Valentine made for Conway's legs made me. They also got a little "!" moment from me when Valentine threw Conway to the outside and Conway landed hard on a table. I loved the second fall, Conway was mostly fighting upward with a bad leg while peppering Valentine with punches, but the use of the targeted leg was either strangely brilliant, or a happy accident (it could be a signature thing he does?). He was pushing himself forward with his arms/body so the leg didn't have too much pressure put on it, but was still what was mainly being launched at Valentine. The third fall was unfortunately pretty rushed with a weak finish but at least we got Conway biting Valentine in the face. Would have been an easy 'great match' with a better third fall but I'd put it on the borderline as it is.
  4. If Fulton had actually been able to use the bullwhip to finish both heels instead of just one spot before the bell rang, I might be calling this a classic. As it stands I think it's still a tremendous match filled with memorable moments. First ten minutes are mostly four guys constantly making a mad dash for the bullwhip, and if you're gonna make a mad dash for something you make a mad dash like these four. There are a lot of tag matches where you can say "this didn't take long too break down", but this one legit took about ten seconds before all four guys were in the ring and two were sprinting for the bullwhip - and it basically never recovered. There wasn't even really a "hot tag" at the end so much as just Rogers getting violently pissed off and coming in to throw dropkicks. Rogers was absolutely awesome in this, with his noodle-bodied bumping, especially up on that pole to start the match, flinging himself left and right and not being afraid at all to tease falling off onto every surface. Even the way he hit the floor to sell a punch. My God though, Dundee was just an outrageously great wrestling personality, stirring up all kinds of shit before the bell had even rung, trying to climb the pole behind the ref's back when not legal, hiding foreign objects, sneaking a low blow in to drag Fulton off the top rope, the way he sold his hand after punching the pole. I really felt the exhaustion as this went on; there was a clear difference in how these guys looked two minutes in trying to run for the rope, and eight minutes in trying to do the same. Shout out to Fulton selling his nuts from the low blow after punching Dundee in the mouth. That finish did kind of fall a little flat, but I really thought this was 'holy shit' great.
  5. Found the first 5 minutes pretty pedestrian with Doc's 5/10 punches and the focus on collar and elbow/headlocks, but after that this picks up like nothin. They got so much mileage out of that first near-ten count alone; even after Gordy got back into the swing of things, he had to drape himself over the top rope in exhaustion. I don't remember the last time I watched much of Gordy, but I can't remember enjoying him this much outside of MVC's little run with the Steiners in WCW. He really came off like a violent force running Doc into the turnbuckles or getting that surprise piledriver for Doc's first near-ten count. And that blade job was NUTS, his torso had a huge set of splats like someone threw a peach onto concrete. I wasn't big on the finish/double count, I think Doc winning with the revenge piledriver would have been perfect, but everything else post-Doc comeback was still super great. Hell of a match.
  6. I was actually going to mention Claudio but I think his defining performance is vs. Kofi in 2013, the absolute ideal one man show vs. almost a total non-entity. Several awesome moments that made Claudio look incredibly smart while targeting the leg, like the one-legged swing, and double stomping it. I like the best Cena match a lot (2/17/14) but I have no enthusiasm for it when thinking about it. It's maybe the best example of how he could easily be planted in a main event scene without a hiccup, though.
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  8. This is maybe purely stylistic preferences talking but I can envision a universe where Jamie Noble goes full Battlarts and has a total classic. What about Matt Sydal? He was always a great underdog babyface worker but has maybe one match I can think of (vs. Chavo) that could be put beside dozens of babyface-from-beneath WWE matches. On the opposite side (heel-from-atop), I'm a huge Mark Henry fan and he has way more really good matches than people give him credit for, but I dunno if I could name THE Mark Henry match that hit the highest possible ceiling. Maybe I need to rewatch some of that 2008 ECW I loved so much. I don't wanna make this thread about Raven discourse and I'm really not a fan of him, but his match with Rhino at Backlash is like pretty much a perfect WWF gimmick match to me. I could theoretically see him having better with an Austin, though.
  9. My mind bugged the fuck out when Van Buyten was trying to get a hold on and was doing so by pushing down on Andre's leg like he was trying to force a log down a wood chipper. Simple thing and I've never seen anything like it. The amount of desperation he had trying to do as much as possible before Andre threw him away - while still balancing it with slow paced wrenching - was incredible. The ranas were a great way to throw Andre off, and Andre was visibly huffing after taking them, showing that they were waring him down. Andre eventually kicking Van Buyten's ass with uppercut blows that Van Buyten just couldn't really come back from was just the perfect peak. Like a black and white grainy camera version of a superhero being constantly flattened by a giant. Andre being basically unaffected by the dropkick was a great moment too. IL N'A PAS BOUGÉ! IL N'A PAS BOUGÉ!!
  10. I think Savage has more very good matches than people give him credit for. I wasn't able to find the full match but most of the 7/27/86 Steamboat match in particular I'd never seen until last year and it honestly blew me away a little. I think I didn't rate it higher (mentally, I don't use numbers) because I remembered there being at least two matches in the feud better. For what it's worth I might say the 2/15/87 Steamboat and 4/21/86 Santana matches place in my WWE top 50/60, along with Mania 3 and 7. I need to see the DiBiase matches again but I adored the SNME match pre-Mania when I saw it on a WWE DVD. I think that Bret Hart match is kind of overhyped but only because some call it 4*1/2 level whereas I'd sit it at a "really good." I think Savage clearly outworked Bret in the match with his selling. The DDP feud in WCW is a boat load of fun and I remember liking the Flair series there too. The 1996 yearbook was about as good a collection of wrestling footage I've seen in one place so saying Savage was the creeeeam of the crop on it would be overdoing it, but he was someone I always looked forward to in a very, very stacked year, and his tv matches on the set delivered. I kind of like the "random match theory" thing people have come up with, and I think Savage is a winner in that respect. The match doesn't even always have to be good, but Savage always looks like a guy achieving his goal of winning/revenge/whatever it may be, 100% of the time he has in front of people. E.g. This Tuesday in Texas vs. Jake Roberts is a six minute match but combining it with the pre/post-match promos, and the angle done after the match - it's one of the singles best things the WWE has ever aired. Obviously Roberts was unreal in it, but other than Piper I don't know how many wrestlers in WWF up until that point were as good as Savage at working within a feud. I'm not even talking about the promos, because for six minutes I think every move/moment in that match is placed where it should be. And having that level of believability while being such an obvious crazy man with a remarkably cartoony voice is should be an impossible thing to pull off, but Savage always just did it. If anything is a mark against ranking Savage imo it's that, like was typical for 80s WWF, he in a feud against the same person would result in some matches being too similar to each other. I do love that Santana feud but a couple of matches repeat key moments/spots, meaning the rematch can feel a touch like a replay. Rating the guys who spent most of their time there canb become tough, because it's not even really their doing when everyone else was along for the same ride. Slaughter vs. Sheik is a great feud that does it as well.
  11. I became a huge Murdoch fan around 2009/2010 because of the Mid-South and NJPW 80s sets (which lead me to getting the helmet comp), but I had barely watched him for years now so I forgot how good he actually was. He goes to some awesome lengths just to put any move over that he has to sell, and will similarly grimace his face while torqueing in his own holds. Great, great post-move seller too to give his opponent a potential target should they want it. Jumbo was mostly good selling armbars and stuff too but when he got them, on he looked kind of dead faced. I actually thought the second and third falls both ruled and were given the appropriate amount of time; sometimes 2/3 falls match benefit from the quick ends to really show how gruelling the first fall was. That second fall in particular very brief and to the point with Murdoch hoping he just had it in the bag and trying what he could to put Jumbo away, while Jumbo had to fight upward from taking a brainbuster which is rightfully treated as a devastating move. Third fall had Murdoch struggling to even capitalize on his own moves because of the neck, resulting in Jumbo hopping up and reigning knee strikes on him. Not a tremendously match but the build toward the peak was great and overall I really liked it a lot.
  12. This feels like what so many matches aspire to be. Eye boggling stiff ballista shot of a match where neither guy necessarily felt like they had the edge, but so many usual back-and-forth pitfalls were avoided. It helps that they actually managed to build to things too like the first Honma headbutt landing. For an 11 minute match there are just way too many cool moments to mention, from Shibata booting a diving Honma in the face, to the surprise back fists, to Shibata being burned out so he had to gradually apply the sleeper like a squid slowly latching onto prey, to the incredible Honma slap in retaliation to a Shibata onslaught. Shibata is just so much better than maybe everyone else at mixing the forearm battles and defiantly sprinting up from hard strikes that it should be illegal for anyone else to even bother.
  13. I was an edgy anti-Cena teen and then came around on him being a great worker. Aaaaand now I'm kind of dropped on him again, but less. There are some cases (vs. Lesnar) where there's nobody else who could fill that role, and I do value that, but a lot of his better matches to me now usually give me the mind set of "Cena looks good here" and not "Cena looks incredible here." He has his definite heights where I do think he looks incredible but there are less of them - and less spread across a consistent basis - than I used to. Him being a tv match worker was brought up, but I also find so many of his ppv matches a mostly bleh nothing to watch. His 2010 for example - I really liked the first couple in the Batista feud but following that I don't know if I'd say there's one good Cena match on ppv until MITB 2011, other than the big Nexus tag which obv involved a lot of others. Then there's his 2007 which I still find undeniable. His super indy dream match worker thing around 2015 is cool for a couple matches but I thought became tiresome and overdone pretty quickly. He's really an Undertaker kind of case to me where the consistency isn't always there, the lows are lowwww, but the highs are very high and enough to at least put them up for thought (I'd think about Cena as a case much more than Taker). Some Cena tv matches I remember thinking were worthwhile and have been maybe kind of forgotten(?): vs. Big Show (Smackdown 2/27/09) vs. Sheamus (Raw 5/17/10) w/Evan Bourne vs. Sheamus/Edge (Raw 5/31/10) vs. The Miz (Raw 5/2/11) vs. Alberto Del Rio (Raw 9/3/12)
  14. This was so mat-focused that Nakano's snap mares and even sometimes the knee lifts kind of took me aback. The Fujinami vs. Nishimura chess game bits were captivating, and I love the progression in Fujinami's career from between the athletic junior to rolling on the mat using his weight advantage to stay on top a younger guy. I loved Nishimura using the keylock on the arm so Fujinami had more trouble using the weight, made him come off really smartly trained. I have a huge soft spot for any bit of any match that's centred around trying to get a cross armbreaker in; you can get several minutes out of the struggle alone, and then build on it. Fujinami hurries to put the arm over when Ishikawa gets in, holding it behind his back almost to bait Ishikawa but then gets caught off guard anyway. Such a great brief exchange. The match could have been elevated by having a violent and heated inter-promotional/Battlarts -esque end run but who can complain with what we saw here.
  15. Man I'm gonna say it, the BCC have been disappointing for me. It's not that I don't like them or think their output has underwhelmed, it's that by all account of his AEW work so far, I think Bryan Danielson is probably either the best or second best wrestler on this planet still and doesn't really get to showcase it in a way that his singles matches did. I'm not even strictly talking about the "big ones" he had last year (thought that's exhibit A); that match with Lee Moriarty in February was pretty awesome to me purely because of Danielson. Moriarty looked ready to turn the match into generic back and forth indy trash any moment but Danielson just kept cutting him off, which resulted in the actual back and forth bit (the last couple minutes) feeling actually hard earned. I've truthfully never been the most MASSIVE Danielson fan, and making a list I'd maybe be a low voter (though that's probably still top 20), but stuff like that really bolsters the case to me - where he works match-specific to his opponent, and even seasoned wrestling watchers don't immediately grab at how exactly he's putting the guy over....by kicking their ass. I've before never liked him as much as I did in late 2021/early 2022.
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