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  1. This was the show that's causing me to give up as well, and it's all due to Conrad. I agree with the points Matt brought up above, but the clincher on this show for me was Conrad's insistence that Undertaker debuted at Survivor Series 1990 as "Kane the Undertaker" and all references to him being called Kane (commentary, on-screen graphic) have since been edited by WWE. In 1990, I was 14 years old and a lifelong wrestling fan. I grew up mainly watching the WWF but I also closely followed all other promotions. I didn't have access to cable TV at home and had to rely on watching other promotions when visiting family or friends who had cable. I had a huge collection of Apter mags, dating back to 1986, and every week I would buy the newest issue of PWI, The Wrestler, Inside Wrestling, Wrestling '88-92, Wrestling Classics, or Wrestling Superstars. I wasn't aware of the dirt sheets and even though I knew the Apter mags to be kayfabed (though I didn't know that term yet), I also recognized that they provided the most reliable news of any other wrestling magazine on the shelf. Survivor Series 1990 was the first PPV I was able to order, and only because my older sister lived in Denver, CO at the time and ordered and recorded it for me. With it being my first PPV, I watched that show repeatedly, to the point that I almost memorized the commentary. I was well aware of who Mark Callaway was and immediately recognized him as the former "Mean" Mark Callous. I'm sure it's common knowledge on a board like this, but Undertaker was only referred to as "The Undertaker" at this show - there has been no editing by WWE. He was referred to as "Kane" a few weeks later when he debuted on WWF Superstars of Wrestling, but that was due to those matches being taped prior to Survivor Series. Aside from a possible mention in the WWF Magazine as Kane, the decision was obviously made to drop "Kane" between those matches and his PPV debut. I get that the arguments between Conrad and Bruce are meant to be part of the appeal of the show, but they come across as more annoying and distracting. When I'm listening to podcasts where wrestling history is discussed, I want to be educated first and entertained second. Maybe I'm in the minority in that regard, but hearing the "banter" between Conrad and Bruce more often than not makes me cringe. His insistence on trying to find out how much someone was paid is uncomfortable and not entertaining or informative in the least. The "rumors and innuendo" bit has long gotten old. His interviewing ability is on par with Rob Feinstein - when he asks questions about whose idea it was for a gimmick, name change, outfit, match, etc, it was usually Vince's. Even when it's not, I can't think of any example where an idea was created by someone else that it made for an interesting story. And the argument that Conrad is "a fan just like anyone else" doesn't work either. No, he's not just like anyone else. If you're doing a weekly podcast that discusses wrestling history, to whatever degree, I believe you have a responsibility to come prepared. Brian Last's comments were mentioned earlier when Bruce appeared on Jim Cornette's podcast, and I can't think of a better example of a current interviewer on a wrestling podcast. Brian is obviously a lifelong fan: He's educated on personalities and topics and can engage in an intelligent discussion/conversation, as displayed during any of the numerous interviews on the 6:05 Superpodcast. I don't post on here very often but I frequent these board several times a day and read through the topics. I enjoy and appreciate the intelligent discussion of various topics by such a knowledgeable group. But this episode touched a nerve with me and I wanted to echo Matt's comments, as well as share my own.
  2. I agree with Pete. I'm listening to episode 43 now, covering May 10-16, 1990, and the repeated use of that drop gets old quick, similar to the Marc Gullen "totally awesome" one on the 6:05 podcast. I love the concepts of these shows and they're incredibly informative, but the playing of drops and sound bites over someone talking is an annoying distraction, as is talking/laughing over clips.
  3. Regarding Hogan vs Tyson and Hogan working for Disney, I remembered these two Hogan quotes from Apter mags of the era. From the Summer 1990 issue of Wrestling Superstars magazine ("For period ending February 9, 1990" according to that issues rankings): And from the March 1991 issue of PWI - 1990 Year in Review:
  4. I was mixing up two different pictures. The top one was from the March 1990 issue of PWI (1989 Year in Review), the bottom was from two years later, PWI March 1992 (1991 Year In Review).
  5. A few thoughts: Interesting that Vince Russo was so interested in flames/fire back in the day, considering his recent website and Twitter handle was "pyroballyhoo". If ever Brian mentions his bar mitzvah story toJim Cornette, ask Jim about the bar mitzvah he attended around 1991 with Jerry Lawler and Madusa Miceli. A picture of it appeared in The Wrestler magazine sometime in 1991, and as Brian told his story, I wondered if it was the same bar mitzvah.
  6. This card's really not that hard to rebook with the existing talent and many of the same matches. All of these would be standard, no gimmick matches, with the possible exception of the main event still in a cage: PN News & Bobby Eaton vs Steve Austin & Johnny B. Badd (winners) Oz (winner) vs Mike Graham Big Josh (winner) vs Black Blood Young Pistols & Dustin Rhodes (winners) vs The Freebirds Diamond Studd (winner) vs Tom Zenk El Gigante (winner) vs One Man Gang Terrence Taylor & Richard Morton (winners) vs Robert Gibson & Tommy Rich when Rich turns on Gibson and joins the York Foundation Ron Simmons (winner) vs Nikita Koloff in a #1 contender's match, winner faces the champion at Halloween Havoc Rick Steiner & Yellow Dog (winners) w/Missy Hyatt vs Arn Anderson & Barry Windham w/Paul E. Dangerously. Anderson turns on Windham after the match and maybe have Larry Zybszko come out and join Anderson in the beat down, forming the Enforcers and foreshadowing the Dangerous Alliance. Lex Luger (winner) vs Sting for the vacant World Title. Match ends the same as the Luger vs Windham match but maybe with more interference from Race/Hughes to screw Sting over for the belt and solidify Luger's heel turn.
  7. Or used Chad's pronunciation and called him Tom (Or Thomas) Zinc.
  8. It was a common belief that Harvey was managing/going to manage Shango following his interference during the Hogan vs Sid match at Wrestlemania 8, but to my knowledge there was no further interaction between the two before or after WM.
  9. The Flair/Piper encounter on WWF Superstars is often mistaken as the first time Vince was physically involved in an angle. While it was definitely the first time for WWF fans of the 80s and 90s, he was involved in a somewhat similar angle in 1977 during their WWF Manager of the Year presentation. Lou Albano whacked Arnold Skaaland with the trophy and sent both Arnold and Vince over the top rope. Search "1977 Manager of the Year" to check out the segment.
  10. Very much enjoy your podcasts Kris, but one correction regarding Kerry Von Erich's WWF debut: He was definitely referred to as "Kerry Von Erich", and Vince even went so far as to acknowledge he came "from one of the greatest families in the history of wrestling". It was certainly unusual to hear Vince acknowledge this, but he did so in a way that it almost sounded like he was being forced to, that there was no way he couldn't acknowledge it. Check it out on YouTube sometime to see what I mean. Anyway, great job and I'm looking forward to more!
  11. I was 14 years old at the time and this was my first PPV ordered. I had it recorded on videotape forever, rewatching it multiple times, and he was introduced by DiBiase strictly as "The Undertaker". I remember thinking it weird when his first appearance was announced on Superstars a few weeks later and he was referred to as "Kane the Undertaker", though I think the next week when he finally appeared "Kane" was dropped. But he was definitely announced by DiBiase as only "The Undertaker". I no longer have the PPV on video but anyone with a copy would be able to further vouch for it.
  12. I haven't listened yet to the episode so I don't know if this was mentioned, but WCW also had a short-lived comic book published by Marvel Comics in 1992 - the first issue was cover dated April 1992, and, like wrestling magazines at the time, the cover date was usually a few months later than the actual month it was published. I always found it odd that Marvel had problems with the Arachnaman character at (roughly) the same time it was publishing a comic book based on the company that featured him.
  13. True, but given that both WCW and the Braves (and TBS) were all owned by Turner, it's not that far of a stretch why Ross would be promoting them. Lord knows WWF/E has been guilty of constantly plugging their outside ventures over the years (Icopro, WBF, XFL, WWE Films, etc.) Congratulations on your new arrival, by the way!
  14. It's also important to note that the Atlanta Braves weren't being mentioned on the Clash solely because it was taking place in Georgia, but because Ted Turner owned the team. The Braves were a huge sports story that fall and made it to Game 7 of that year's World Series (October 27th, the same night as Halloween Havoc 1991) before losing to Minnesota. The tomahawk chop was a big deal during the fall and, IIRC, was being used by wrestlers and fans in WCW during this time. Also, the footage of Ron Simmons' jersey being retired from Florida State was from 1988. I don't remember if it was referenced or not on the Clash as being from three years earlier, but Parv seemed to think it was current to 1991.
  15. Loved the Missy Hyatt episode, and also noticed/loved that she's one of maybe two people I've ever heard (the other being Bill Watts) who even Jim Cornette can't talk over.
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