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All Access is on Max now. Sign of things to come or just WBD throwing absolutely everything on there?

And of course I get online and see Atlantis put a price on his mask just yesterday - 50 billion dollars. Between that and the commentary they may be hyping the mask up a bit for a potential loss. https://www.record.com.mx/lucha-cmll/atlantis-sobre-el-valor-actual-de-su-mascara-unos-50-mil-millones-de-dolares-no-tiene

Excluding 1. Mil Mascaras and 2. Masks that have already fallen, who would be the most valuable besides Atlantis atm? The only ones I can think of are Santito (who will never lose it) and LA Park (who has lost masks before). Where does someone like Psycho Clown rank historically in kayfabe? On the topic of apuestas, how about valuable cabelleras? I'm still waiting for the Park Vs. Rush match so that's one I'd love to see up for grabs. Sidenote - In looking over a few rosters for this post I was reminded Stuka Jr. lost his mask last year. He's always been one of my favorite guys to watch live and that mask is a beauty (if not slightly questionable). Makes me wish I had offered him a few bucks for a ring worn mask.

Seconded. I've been an extremely sporadic enjoyer of the pro wrestling this past decade and while reliving some of the AJPW classics can be fun, they certainly can be a considerable time investment. As someone who has only checked out the more well known stuff, these write ups are great for when I wanna delve into stuff lower on the card which I feel has been unexplored as a whole.

Now I have to track down that FMW show. I read somewhere (Bahu's site maybe?) that Misawa and Hayabusa were friends going way back and that also helped getting he and Shinzaki the AJPW shots but I may be misremembering.

Very interesting. Thanks. I knew about Kawada's comments re: isolationist Baba and the slump due to staleness but thought that came a year or two later. Were there any other inter-promotional dealings or was this the only one?

So I just randomly searched "UWFi" on YouTube and found a Kawada vs. Takayama match from 1996 in a UWFi ring? How did this end up happening? A comment on the video says this was a try-out for Takayama but if that's the case I'm confused as to why Baba would loan out one of his hottest stars during one of AJPW's hottest periods to UWFi. I left a comment on the video hoping Tabe would reply with any info but does anyone know how this came about?

Also if I have to rewind a few times to check whether Brock bladed or if that was hardway, I gotta give them credit. I'm still not sure either way, but that's part of the magic of wrasslin innit?

I've been lurking DVDVR for almost 20 years and tried to register now but am aware the site is having its problems. DEAN~! would have loved this shit. Rey's Mil Mascaras tiburon mask alone was worth a MILLION BILLION STARS.

Posts like these remind me why I lurk here and nowhere else. Obviously, being fluent in spanish will give me an upper hand digging deeper but these are great starting points. Makes me think I should reach out to my uncle and ask if he remembers any of this stuff.

Wow, thanks guys! Will dig deeper into all of that tonight. Also found something called Titanes del Ring from Chile and watched all just now. The wrestling isn't all that great but the presentation is absolutely fantastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I795btutTDU

My mom grew up in El Salvador and when I became a fan as a kid, she told me Mil Mascaras would regularly appear at shows in her neighborhood. I got more and more incredulous the older (and "smarter") I got. Eventually during a trip to my grandma's house she produced a photo of her and "Mil Mascaras" who seemed to be a good 100 lbs heavier and 6 inches shorter than the true article. I broke the truth to my mom, aunts, and uncles and surprisingly they weren't bothered - in their young minds they had seen the legendary Mil Mascaras and even the revelation that it was probably the butcher down the street did nothing to tarnish the memories. As an aside - are there any good resources for wrestling info in latin America? Aside from Titanes en el Ring from Argentina and Las Cholitas from Bolivia I haven't seen much online regarding the region. I seem to remember reading about Brazil having a scene in the 70s or 80s.

I'm in a strange position where I absolutely loathe the Paul brothers as personalities but have absolutely zero negative feelings towards Logan as a wrestler. I honestly wish he was absolute garbage in the ring so he could confirm my negative bias, but rehearsed matches or not, he's decently passable from what I have seen. I usually only tune in to WWE around Mania season to see if it's worth keeping up with and this year I jokingly pretended to be excited with my friends about Logan Paul wrestling so much that I legitimately became interested in his match. Kinda odd that I wasn't disappointed. Is this what Hogan meant about working yourself into a shoot?

This is what I figured but not having seen any autopsy reports I was never quite sure. I completely understand why no-one would want to use any of Benoit's "signatures" after the fact and especially that one. Ugh. I feel like scum even discussing the topic. Will try to balance out with a random recommended match from a random PWO poster. I appreciate your input sek.

So... I'm bumping an ancient thread whose last post was over a decade ago to ask an incredibly morbid question that has been on my mind for almost as long as this thread has been active. In Ring of Hell as well as a few other places online it has been claimed as fact that Chris Benoit placed his son in the Crippler Crossface or some variant of the move. My question is - How do we know this? I can only imagine there were signs of strangulation or bruising to the areas usually affected by the move that would indicate it was applied. Is there any concrete evidence proving Benoit used this move on his son? What led anyone to believe this was the manner in which he killed his son? Did Chris Benoit simply strangle his son causing people to imagine some sick(er) scenario where he used his actual "finisher" to kill his son? This is something that always bothered me about the reporting on this case and is something that I am hard pressed to believe can be confirmed. I do not mean this as an indictment of anyone who reported this as fact. I plead the gentle readers of PWO to not take this as a troll post. I have children of my own and even using phrases like "used this move" and "finisher" gross me out considering the context of my post but PWO is probably the most level-headed and informed message board on the net so I figure if I'm going to get an honest answer anywhere, it will be here. Bix, were you at?