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#1 Grimmas

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:57 AM

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#2 goodhelmet

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:18 AM

I think I would put AJ in my Top 750. 



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:55 AM

What is so bad about AJ Will? I'm not a huge fan generally but he's got a WOTY case this year, and was one of the few guys who did anything of nite in TNA. What makes your boy Jericho better than him?

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 07:54 AM

What is so bad about AJ Will? I'm not a huge fan generally but he's got a WOTY case this year, and was one of the few guys who did anything of nite in TNA. What makes your boy Jericho better than him?

 

Especially when this has been a legacy year of him.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:07 AM

I was never a fan of AJ, but his New Japan matches make me considerably more amenable to going back and checking out some of his TNA stuff. 



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:40 AM

Styles might be one of those guys who is ultimately done in by his career path/career choices. While I agree with Dylan that he is one of the few (or perhaps only??) wrestlers who made something of themselves in TNA, spending such a long portion of his career with that promotion was still ultimately a detriment.  Based off of his early ROH work and post-TNA US indie/New Japan work, you don't have to squint too hard to see A.J. having a Top 100 worthy career had he stayed on the indies/ROH longer, went to Japan sooner, or ended up in WWE at some point.  As it is, there might not be enough to get him there but he certainly had/has the tools.

 

The Paul London June 2003 ROH match and the Jimmy Rave 2005 ROH matches are all really good matches and not in a "flashy move showcase" sort of way that I think many tend to think when they think of Styles.  He has been nothing short of good this year on both the indies and in Japan.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 09:09 AM

Styles might be one of those guys who is ultimately done in by his career path/career choices. While I agree with Dylan that he is one of the few (or perhaps only??) wrestlers who made something of themselves in TNA, spending such a long portion of his career with that promotion was still ultimately a detriment.  Based off of his early ROH work and post-TNA US indie/New Japan work, you don't have to squint too hard to see A.J. having a Top 100 worthy career had he stayed on the indies/ROH longer, went to Japan sooner, or ended up in WWE at some point.  As it is, there might not be enough to get him there but he certainly had/has the tools.

 

The Paul London June 2003 ROH match and the Jimmy Rave 2005 ROH matches are all really good matches and not in a "flashy move showcase" sort of way that I think many tend to think when they think of Styles.  He has been nothing short of good this year on both the indies and in Japan.

 

Agree with all of this. For a guy who did nothing I cared about for the better part of a decade, AJ still brings a fair number of top-100 elements to the table. I don't expect to vote for him, but if his 2015 is as good as his 2014, it'd make me think. Ultimately though, I can't give him credit for what he could've been in all those wasted years.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:29 AM

AJ Styles is a tremendous pro wrestler. Tons of great stuff in ROH, TNA, and now New Japan. A great athlete with amazing body control, and because he's flashy (which is sort of a death knoll around here as that does not appeal to some), he doesn't get enough credit for his excellent match structures & psychology. Maybe the most interesting to watch U.S. based wrestler of his era, even if he isn't the best. Top 25/50 material. 



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:55 AM

AJ Styles is a tremendous pro wrestler. Tons of great stuff in ROH, TNA, and now New Japan. A great athlete with amazing body control, and because he's flashy (which is sort of a death knoll around here as that does not appeal to some), he doesn't get enough credit for his excellent match structures & psychology. Maybe the most interesting to watch U.S. based wrestler of his era, even if he isn't the best. Top 25/50 material. 

I'm glad you will be voting to balance out some of the more flashy guys.

 

Although I could see AJ making my list, especially if he continues on this path for another year and a half and if his TNA stuff has some gems.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 11:11 AM

His TNA stuff has stacks of gems. 



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 11:29 AM

Do I have to revisit styles tna?

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 11:36 AM

Ah, the anti-TNA bias are back! The conversation about their better stuff starts up around here....

 

http://prowrestlingo...history/page-35



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 11:40 AM

....and here's a bit of both...

 

http://prowrestlingo...highs-and-lows/



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:16 PM

Do I have to revisit styles tna?

 

Just ignore everything he did when they were booking him as a half wit southern bumpkin.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:18 PM

Do I have to revisit styles tna?

 
Just ignore everything he did when they were booking him as a half wit southern bumpkin.

That should make for a short reviewing list then.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:19 PM

You'd think that would be his most natural work.

I think I was at that London match. Is that the one with the SSP on the arm? If so, 20 year old me went nuts for that.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:27 PM

I think what's most impressive about AJ Styles is that he basically has two careers. From debut-06/07ish he was the poster boy for North American junior heavyweights and garnered a big fan base because of it, although I can see that portion of his career drawing polarizing opinions, but now he's pretty much a very smart mat based worker with junior elements sprinkled in and is universally receiving best in the world praise. I need to go back and re-watch most of his TNA work but this year he's no worse than a top 3 wrestler in the world, with only Timothy Thatcher and Cesaro giving him a run for his money.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:06 PM

I've watched some of the most recent New Japan stuff and I just don't get the feeling that he presents himself like a main event big deal even now.  There is just a combination of stuff going on there that doesn't make me think of him as a big deal even now carrying a major title around.  I don't know if its the hair, the gloves or the weird way he executes things like a knee drop but something is refusing to click for me.  He's a heck of a talent and a good wrestler but that disconnect is what keeps him off a list of elites for me.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:25 PM

I always thought AJ was fine in TNA other than being tainted with the same stink that's afflicted just about everyone there over the years.  He had a knack for mixing in flying and athleticism without letting it dominate his game.  After his introduction in NJ and insertion in the title picture I was pretty skeptical having enjoyed the Tanahashi/Okada focus over the last couple years.  But he's fit in there without any problem at all, was the MVP of the G1 in my eyes and as already noted put himself on the short list for wrestler of the year.  I don't know that he'd make my list absent another year or 2 like this one, but I'm now at least happy to look back at some TNA and ROH to see what case can be made for him.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

If you can find it, Austin Aries & Roderick Strong vs Styles & Matt Sydal from 2/25/06 in Edison NJ for ROH was the best tag team match I've ever seen live.






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